Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00512)

Is it fair to say then that the TS was a masonic experiment?

regards,

Theo

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: Carl Ek <carl.ek@mail.com>
Datum: woensdag, december 13, 2006 12:07 pm
Onderwerp: Theos-World Re: Olcott, a Mason.

> The only one the see this as a confusion as probably you, Carlos. 
> The fact that a majority of the Theosophists in generation one were 
> Masons, that TS rituals and lodge was build up with the Masonic 
> lodges as pattern and that Masonry was seen as one of the premier 
> esoteric bodies in Europe have nothing to do with confusion at al.
> 
> And about the TS ritual; As late as 1891 was Olcott using it, 
> during 
> his visit in Stockholm.
> 
> Carl
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> <carlosaveline@...> wrote:
> >
> > As everyone knows, the TS was a precarious thing in the U.S. up 
> to 
> HSO's and HPB's departure for India;  and the situation went on 
> like 
> that until Judge's work flourished in the 1880s. 
> > 
> > There was never a confusion between theosophical movement and 
> masonry up to 1907. 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:12:20 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Olcott, a Mason.
> > 
> > > Based on that he was a fellow of a Royal Arch Chapter in 1860, 
> and 
> > > to join a Chapter one must be a Master Mason (from initiation 
> (First 
> > > Degree) to become a Master Mason takes no shorter then two 
> years) 
> > > and officer in a blue lodge (one have to be a Master Mason at 
> least 
> > > one year before one can become a officer normally). In those 
> > > districts in the US were they was following English Masonic 
> > > Tradition, the MM had to be a Mark Master Mason (MMM) before 
> (or 
> > > more correct, its recommended) he can entered the Royal Arch 
> > > Chapter, but I do not know if Olcott was in American (where the 
> > > Mason tacks the Chapter before the Mark) or English (where Mark 
> is 
> > > before Chapter). In the English case, it will then be plus one 
> year. 
> > > Olcott was Senior Warden 1861, in a Blue Lodge. So then we have 
> to 
> > > count. From initiation to Master Mason, 2 years, minimum 2 
> years 
> as 
> > > a junior offices (Tyler, Outer Guard etc), 1 years as Secretary 
> (or 
> > > Treasurer), Junior Warder 1 year and finally Senior Warden. 
> That 
> > > gives minimums six a' seven years. (The document I'm basing 
> these 
> > > calculations on are mentioned in HPB Speaks vol. I p. 27).
> > > So Olcott was initiated 1855 or before. 
> > 
> > 
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> >
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