Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00505)

The only one the see this as a confusion as probably you, Carlos. 
The fact that a majority of the Theosophists in generation one were 
Masons, that TS rituals and lodge was build up with the Masonic 
lodges as pattern and that Masonry was seen as one of the premier 
esoteric bodies in Europe have nothing to do with confusion at al.

And about the TS ritual; As late as 1891 was Olcott using it, during 
his visit in Stockholm.
 
Carl

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<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> As everyone knows, the TS was a precarious thing in the U.S. up to 
HSO's and HPB's departure for India;  and the situation went on like 
that until Judge's work flourished in the 1880s. 
> 
> There was never a confusion between theosophical movement and 
masonry up to 1907. 
> 
> Carlos. 
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:12:20 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Olcott, a Mason.
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> > Based on that he was a fellow of a Royal Arch Chapter in 1860, 
and 
> > to join a Chapter one must be a Master Mason (from initiation 
(First 
> > Degree) to become a Master Mason takes no shorter then two 
years) 
> > and officer in a blue lodge (one have to be a Master Mason at 
least 
> > one year before one can become a officer normally). In those 
> > districts in the US were they was following English Masonic 
> > Tradition, the MM had to be a Mark Master Mason (MMM) before (or 
> > more correct, its recommended) he can entered the Royal Arch 
> > Chapter, but I do not know if Olcott was in American (where the 
> > Mason tacks the Chapter before the Mark) or English (where Mark 
is 
> > before Chapter). In the English case, it will then be plus one 
year. 
> > Olcott was Senior Warden 1861, in a Blue Lodge. So then we have 
to 
> > count. From initiation to Master Mason, 2 years, minimum 2 years 
as 
> > a junior offices (Tyler, Outer Guard etc), 1 years as Secretary 
(or 
> > Treasurer), Junior Warder 1 year and finally Senior Warden. That 
> > gives minimums six a' seven years. (The document I'm basing 
these 
> > calculations on are mentioned in HPB Speaks vol. I p. 27).
> > So Olcott was initiated 1855 or before. 
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