Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00160)

Frank, 


Here you come, the Parade Nazi, colonel Brigitte  trying to 
explaining Theosophy to us all.   

Carlos. 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" 
<ringding777@...> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
> why don't you stop debating with Carlos?
> It is the only way to silence him.
> 
> All his hundreds of annoyances show what type of people he is.
> 
> You Daniel were always - as far as I have observed it - upholding 
the esoteric tradition of HPB, Judge, Tingley and Purucker and 
defending it against the exoteric remodeling in Carlos' jewish ULT 
fashion.
> HPB always condemned the jewish exoteric and materialistic 
remodeling of the ancient wisdom doctrine, f.e.:
> 
> 1. "It was Iamblichus who added to it the Egyptian doctrine of 
Theurgy with its practices, and Porphyry, the Jew, who opposed this 
new element."
> http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrine3C.htm#303
> 
> 2. "If Porphyry, the Jew Malek, went against Theurgy on account of 
old traditional recollections, there were other teachers who 
practised it. Plotinius, Iamblichus, Proclus, were all 
thaumaturgists..."
> http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrine3C.htm#303
> 
> Much more could be given. 
> 
> A strange sophism to allege that "esoteric" means "for the few"!!! 
This is of course not the teaching of the theosophical esoteric 
teachers from HPB down to Purucker.
> HPB's esoteric school was publicly announced and everyone was 
invited to join it and not only the few. Who decides in the ULT who 
is elect? Is the leader of the ULT a bodhisattva?
> HPB meant by "esoteric" rather "with explanation".
> 
> As this simply facts are easy to discover for every honest 
reseacher one wonders why Carlos uninterrupted in hundreds of email 
annoyances (indeed a second Brigitte) tries to sell us what is easy 
to proof as untruth?
> 
> I don't know his motive for his lies and it concerns me not.
> 
> What me concerns is, why you Daniel, continue to debate with him 
and give him therefore attention which he does not deserve.
> 
> Are the theosophists of the 21th Century the blind astral track 
followers of the old jewish traditional recollections?
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: carlosaveline 
> To: theos-talk 
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:34 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Dissension Archives Online Shows Itself
> 
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> You are showing what you are, under the appearance of a Blavatsky 
student.
> 
> By rejecting the esoteric tradition as such, by saying that any 
wisdom tradition which has any degree of secrecy is bad, or fake, 
you are showing that you are against HPB and against what she 
standed for. And in so doing you defend exactly the same thesis as 
Solovyof, as the Coulombs and as the 19th century SPR. They said HPB 
was a fraud ... because she kept secrecy about some things. 
> 
> Yet secrecy is NOT a synonym to fraud, as we know. 
> 
> HPB work was about the esoteric tradition. "Esoteric" means "for 
the few".
> 
> Regards, Carlos. 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:43:11 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Tillett: "...too threatening....would have 
undermined the public claims...."
> 
> > Tillett: "...too threatening....
> > would have undermined the public claims...."
> > 
> > Gregory Tillett on the Secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of 
the 
> > ULT]
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > 
> > On May 20, 2003, I posted on Theos-Talk the following text 
concerning 
> > the secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of the ULT]. The 
posting 
> > was addressed to the historian Gregory Tillett:
> > 
> > =================================================
> > Gregory, you wrote:
> > 
> > "The DES . . . remains ONE OF THE GREAT SECRETS of Theosophical
> > history. . . . I hope that its history and teachings will be made
> > accessible to students of Theosophical history when I complete 
the
> > history of secret societies in the Theosophical movement. . . . 
But
> > the role of the DES has been even greater than that of the Adyar 
and
> > Pt Loma ES groups because it has remained largely 'INVISIBLE'."
> > caps added.
> > 
> > Several students and I have been engaging in several discussions 
on
> > the DES and one question we have is:
> > 
> > WHY has the DES remained such a GREAT SECRET and so INVISIBLE?
> > What has motivated ULT/DES members to be so secretive and guarded
> > about even the existence of DES?
> > 
> > In contrast, HPB publicly announced the formation of the 
E.S.T.S. in
> > the pages of LUCIFER and LUCIFER, THE PATH and THE THEOSOPHIST 
in the
> > late 1880s and 1890s had information from time to time 
concerning the
> > E.S.T.S.
> > ==============================================================
> > Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-
talk/message/12046
> > 
> > Dr. Tillett replied as follows:
> > 
> > ==============================================================
> > Good question! I can only assume that (i) the ULT placed such
> > emphasis on there being no organization, no leadership and no
> > authority within the ULT (not, of course, the case in fact) that 
the
> > acknowledgement of an inner group would have been too 
threatening and
> > would have undermined the public claims, and (ii) the existence 
of a
> > secret group that really was kept secret provided greater status 
for
> > the members of it....
> > 
> > ...It would be good if all the DES documents could be published
> > together with a history of this important branch (if we can call 
it
> > that) of the ES tradition within the TS. I have had some 
interesting
> > conversations with ULT "important people" about the DES ....
> > no-one has ever denied its existence, but nor have they admitted 
it.
> > Rather like talking with Adyar people about the Egyptian Rite, 
the
> > details and rituals of which should also be published.
> > ===========================================================
> > Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-
talk/message/12057
> > 
> > Notice Tillett's significant words:
> > 
> > "...acknowledgement of an inner group would have been TOO 
THREATENING 
> > and would have UNDERMINED THE PUBLIC CLAIMS...." caps added.
> > 
> > Maybe now in 2006 Gregory could give us more of his thinking 
about 
> > this significant statement that he made in 2003.
> > 
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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