Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00147)

Daniel,

You are showing what you are, under the appearance of a Blavatsky student.

By rejecting the esoteric tradition as such, by saying that any wisdom tradition which has any degree of secrecy is bad, or fake,  you are showing that you are against HPB and against what she standed for.  And in so doing you defend exactly the same thesis as Solovyof, as the Coulombs and as the 19th century SPR. They said HPB was a fraud ...  because she kept secrecy about some things.  

Yet secrecy is NOT a synonym to fraud, as we know. 

HPB work was about the esoteric tradition. "Esoteric" means "for the few".

Regards,  Carlos. 




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Data:Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:43:11 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Tillett: "...too threatening....would have undermined the public claims...."

> Tillett: "...too threatening....
> would have undermined the public claims...."
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> Gregory Tillett on the Secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of the 
> ULT]
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> On May 20, 2003, I posted on Theos-Talk the following text concerning 
> the secrecy of the Dzyan Esoteric School [of the ULT]. The posting 
> was addressed to the historian Gregory Tillett:
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> Gregory, you wrote:
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> "The DES . . . remains ONE OF THE GREAT SECRETS of Theosophical
> history. . . . I hope that its history and teachings will be made
> accessible to students of Theosophical history when I complete the
> history of secret societies in the Theosophical movement. . . . But
> the role of the DES has been even greater than that of the Adyar and
> Pt Loma ES groups because it has remained largely 'INVISIBLE'."
> caps added.
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> Several students and I have been engaging in several discussions on
> the DES and one question we have is:
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> WHY has the DES remained such a GREAT SECRET and so INVISIBLE?
> What has motivated ULT/DES members to be so secretive and guarded
> about even the existence of DES?
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> In contrast, HPB publicly announced the formation of the E.S.T.S. in
> the pages of LUCIFER and LUCIFER, THE PATH and THE THEOSOPHIST in the
> late 1880s and 1890s had information from time to time concerning the
> E.S.T.S.
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> Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12046
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> Dr. Tillett replied as follows:
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> Good question! I can only assume that (i) the ULT placed such
> emphasis on there being no organization, no leadership and no
> authority within the ULT (not, of course, the case in fact) that the
> acknowledgement of an inner group would have been too threatening and
> would have undermined the public claims, and (ii) the existence of a
> secret group that really was kept secret provided greater status for
> the members of it....
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> ...It would be good if all the DES documents could be published
> together with a history of this important branch (if we can call it
> that) of the ES tradition within the TS. I have had some interesting
> conversations with ULT "important people" about the DES ....
> no-one has ever denied its existence, but nor have they admitted it.
> Rather like talking with Adyar people about the Egyptian Rite, the
> details and rituals of which should also be published.
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> Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12057
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> Notice Tillett's significant words:
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> "...acknowledgement of an inner group would have been TOO THREATENING 
> and would have UNDERMINED THE PUBLIC CLAIMS...." caps added.
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> Maybe now in 2006 Gregory could give us more of his thinking about 
> this significant statement that he made in 2003.
> 
> Daniel
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