Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00058)

Carlos,
I have some questions to you, concerning the following quotes, which 
comes from 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/38202

You wrote:
"Dallas' opinions deserve our respect. As they come from his heart 
and were sincere, we have respect for them, don't we?"

He deserve respect as a lifelong worker for the benefits of 
Theosophy, but can a opinion from the heart, or else were, form 
anyone changes the historical fact?

"Dallas has his insights, his views.
Point Loma groups will have different insights, perhaps.
Pasadena wil have other ideas to offer. And Edmonton TS. And HPB 
students in
the Adyar TS.
All of them deserve my respect."

You are again using your new "mantra", were you are counting up 
different theosophical divisions, and you wrote that "all of them 
deserve my respect". But you have excluded ULT this time, and 
replaced it whit TenBroeck's. So, as I can see so was/is 
Tenbroeck's "insights" and views" identical with the ULT's. How that 
is possible of the ULT don't have any spokespersons, leaders, 
officers etc? With which kind of authority was he speaking?

Is this opinion of yours comparable with the ULT opinion on that 
matter, from you point of view? And Carlos, is this the case even if 
they contradicts one and other, on doctrinal, historical and other 
subjects?

You wrote:
"It would therefore be extremely naive for someone from one of these 
groups to come to Theos-talk to say that "his group is right" and 
the other ones "are wrong"."

But this is exactly what ULT is doing!

Carl

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Carl,
> 
> Thanks. Let's contextualize it.
> 
> Dallas' opinions deserve our respect.  As they come from his heart 
and were sincere, we have respect for them, don't we?  
> 
> Now, this is not a discussion as to the succession of the Chief 
Executive Officer  (CEO) in a conventional money-searching 
multinational corporation, as Caldwell sometimes seems to try to see 
it.  It is more complex than that.  
> 
> Dallas has his insights, his views.
> 
> Point Loma groups will have different insights, perhaps. 
> 
> Pasadena wil have other ideas to offer.  And Edmonton TS.  And HPB 
students in the Adyar TS.  
> 
> All of them deserve my respect.  
> 
> And there is indeed mutual respect among these groups.  Each 
individual person is entitled to join the group he or she finds the 
best,  and this person will probably have a feeling of respect for 
the other ones.  
> 
> We all know that there was dissension in the past,  well fed by 
hostile elementals and by enemies of the movement. 
> 
> As we are now  --  we,  all HPB/Masters students --  we can see 
one thing: that which we have in common is much, much  greater than 
that which could separate us in one or other particular aspect. This 
is And this is Theosophy; this is the  Universal Wisdom.  
> 
> It would therefore be extremely naive for someone from one of 
these groups to come to Theos-talk to say that "his group is right" 
and the other ones "are wrong". 
> 
> See what I mean?  There is a wider magnetic field than that. 
> 
> Truth is beyong personal differences of view.  It is also beyond 
corporate divisions.  The ULT Declaration of 1909 is clear about 
that. 
> 
> Before you ask, the only problem with part of the Adyar Society is 
that it has closed itself behind the doors or ceremonialism, well-
proven illusions  and blind belief.  
> 
> It will take some time, perhaps, for these quarters of the Adyar 
Society to awaken. When they do so, it will be a major positive 
event for the theosophical movement as a whole. 
> 
> I believe in cycles and rebirths.
> 
> 
> Regards,   Carlos.  
> 
> 
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> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:08:48 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Is Carlos quoting persons he doesn't trust? 
> 
> > Carlos,
> > Two things.
> > First so remember I that you previous here has denied that 
Crosbie 
> > claimed 
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