Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01281)

Jake,

You write:

"A week or two ago, Dan made some comment about 
"well, _if_ elementals are involved in that (sex)..." 
'And I thought "Jeezus! - if he doesn't even know
that and he's trying to be an authority on ES
groups...." Its a complete basic in occult
psychology. The Blavatsky Collected Writings Index
probably has a thousand references to Elemental,
bhuts, pisachas, spirits, etc. Elementals and other
invisible presences are involved in Everything!"  


Indeed, there are some basic theosophical concepts
which Daniel consciously or unconsciously ignores. 

The importance of Elementals and the importance of
Ethics are two of them.

By the way, right action of Ethics create good elementals. 

Ancient Pythagoreans said: 

"Do that which is right, and in time it will get to be nice 
to you to do that". 

This is one of the best (but not one of the the easiest) 
practical lessons on elementals I have learned so far. 


Regards,  Carlos.  

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Data:Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:37:35 -0800 (PST)

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Theosophical Blog on Bugs

> Theosophical Blog on Bugs
> 
> 
> A guy I used to know called invisible presences 
> mentioned in Theosophy (elementals, bhuts, pisachas, 
> elementaries, etc.) "Bugs," and I think this is a
> pretty good name - as in "bugs" in your computer
> system, or in a design, or that someone has gone
> "buggy." I think he got most of his basic ideas from
> Theosophy, and then worked them out himself.
> 
> 
> A week or two ago, Dan made some comment about 
> "well, _if_ elementals are involved in that (sex)..." 
> 'And I thought "Jeezus! - if he doesn't even know
> that and he's trying to be an authority on ES
> groups...." Its a complete basic in occult
> psychology. The Blavatsky Collected Writings Index
> probably has a thousand references to Elemental,
> bhuts, pisachas, spirits, etc. Elementals and other
> invisible 
> presences are involved in Everything! Every thought
> you have is an elemental or involved with one. We
> live in a sea of invisible creatures. All we are is
> elementals, it only matters if they are "your own" or
> not, in tune with your own basic nature, and the
> design of Nature around you which has been developed
> over billions of years.
> 
> 
> Ever meet a woman briefly you find attactive,
> (or vice-versa) and you can't get them out of your
> head? You keep thinking about them all day long
> (which might be a good thing or a bad thing.) That's
> an elemental. An elemental left the person and
> attached itself to you.
> 
> 
> I said something to a guy who was into
> psychology about "demons" being involved in things -
> and he said "That's medieval, how can you believe in
> that medieival stuff! Absurd!" The truth is that who
> is stupid are the psychologists, as they cannot admit
> the existence of anything they can't see. In a world
> as complex as this how can anyone deny the possible
> existence of non-physical realms? Thoughts are the
> most immediate experience we have. You can't even
> know a physical object exists without the thought
> about it. And yet thoughts are a non-physical thing.
> You can never put a thought on a table and dissect it.
> 
> 
> The way you learn about this stuff is through
> getting 
> basic clues - like in Blavatsky - and then practice
> long-term 
> self-observation, "Know Thyself." Psychological
> problems 
> originate basically from two directions - one, where
> you 
> are out of tune with your own nature, and damaged in
> some 
> way, and two, exacerbation from without, elementals, a
> 
> bhut, or whatever prodding the psychological wounds so
> to speak. You can get "damaged" from psychological
> traumas,
> physically from subtle damage from drugs, or morally,
> by
> committing acts outside the Nature's basic design.
> (This 
> might apply to degree to sex, but also people who do
> such things as commit a murder. I read one case,
> where
> a such a person was always reacted to by animals
> negatively
> afterwards.)
> 
> 
> Bhuts are according to the "Theosophical
> Glossary:" 
> "Ghosts, phantoms. To call them 'demons,' as do the 
> Orientalists, is incorrect...." Pisachas are
> described as: 
> "..... in the sourthern India folk-lore, ghosts,
> demons, larvae, 
> and vampires - generaly female - who haunt men. 
> Fading 
> remnants of human beings in _Kamaloka_ as shells and 
> Elementaries." All the episodes in the popular TV
> show 
> "Medium," are about such things. But they are
> "shells" without 
> their higher spiritual parts. I think in the MLs is
> said that 
> suicides, and maybe some other types of young deaths 
> have their higher principles paralyzed, and such
> creatures 
> generally are what's left over after the higher
> principles 
> have departed. When the death is innocent, the victim
> 
> probably just goes asleep until his time is up.
> 
> 
> Probably a minority of young violent deaths
> turn 
> into bhuts, or earth-walkers. They don't know they 
> are dead and are still full of the coarse and maybe 
> violent vitality they had when alive. The ones who 
> died and were pretty much soul-less when they were 
> still alive, the worst of the bunch. Street gangs, 
> juvenile delinquents, among all other social problems,
> 
> get obsessed and motivated by these types of things, 
> thus all the mind-less crimes and rage. Did you ever 
> notice how much some gang-graffitti and "signs" 
> resembles the demon-sigils of the middle ages? Some 
> of these things are so coarse that they come close to 
> being physical and can cause physical manifestations, 
> steal things, etc., I think. They are attracted to
> what 
> ever minds pay attention to them in the state of hate
> or 
> rage they probably died it. To avoid them, you
> usually 
> just have to ignore them.
> 
> 
> What theosophists generally vaguely call
> "dugpas" 
> I think are usually "elementaries," described in part
> in 
> Theosophical Glossary as: "...the disembodied _souls_
> 
> of the deparaved; these souls having at some time
> prior 
> to death separated from themselves their divine
> spirits, 
> and so lost their chance for immortality.... Once
> divorced 
> from their higher triads and their bodies, these souls
> 
> remain in their _Kama-rupic_ envelopes, and are 
> irresistibly drawn to the earth amid elements
> congenial 
> to their gross natures. Their stay in the Kama Loka 
> varies as to its duration; but ends invariably in 
> 
> disintegration...." 
> 
> 
> In other words, some nasty sob, who was only 
> after his own selfish ends - money, power, whatever - 
> often in the "respectable" portions of humanity - who 
> built up a good deal of power, perhaps, and then
> because 
> of this momentum, hangs around in the after-death
> state 
> preying on people, still being possibly a good deal 
> self-conscious in what it is doing. If the person
> died at 
> a young age from violence, it could be all the more 
> a strong individuality yet on the other side, in that
> it might 
> be self-conscious, perhaps seeing that it can affect 
> person's minds. I know a case like this, I think. A
> guy 
> about 40 was shot by his wife, by accounts likely
> from 
> general torture and maybe violence toward her, I'm 
> guessing. Ever since that time the family involved 
> seems to have been under a curse, with murder and 
> suicide, etc. It could be that an elementary like
> this 
> grows on its effectiveness in influencing people, and 
> grows into a "power" in the whole local area. 
> 
> 
> In rural areas, local farms sometimes are
> little 
> communities in themselves. Individual farmers can 
> build up a mini-empire of acreage, buildings, multiple
> 
> farms, etc. Some of these guys were mean sobs 
> who built up their mini-empires however they could, 
> and hang around as a spook after death. I worked at 
> several where unexplainable things happen - tools 
> disappear, weird accidents, machinery breaking down, 
> sudden gusts of wind and door slamming, etc. Once 
> I was painting the side of a building. It was Fall
> with 
> autumn leaves, and I watched as a gust of wind
> gathered 
> up a big bunch of leaves from a tree, kept them
> weirdly 
> in a bunch for a 100 or 150 feet, seemingly against
> the 
> wind, and then splashed them down all together on my 
> wet paint.
> 
> 
> Then there are gods that make appearances
> also 
> or travel through an area. I was working on a
> Blavatsky 
> project once, which was a big stress. I just
> finished, and 
> a peal of thunder sounded out. Ha It was fall, and
> there 
> hadn't been another for probably months. One day I 
> felt in an unusually elevated state, blissful and on a
> high 
> I thought was some minor mystic experience. I went
> into 
> the office supply store to get something, and was
> talking 
> to a clerk. Another clerk came up and said out of the
> blue 
> "You know I have felt uncommonly good for about 20
> minutes. 
> I don't think I have ever felt this good in my life!" 
> Here I 
> thought it was something individual, when actually a
> god 
> must have just been passing through the area!
> 
> 
> - jake j.
> 
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