Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01162)

Daniel,

Of course you have to say, or to suggest,  that as the SPR has no unanimous or formal self-criticism to make as to its 19th century frauds against the theosophical movement, then "HPB might be a fraud" after all. 

It is only by saying that, that you can defend your (and Algeo's) publicizing of all those lies and falsehoods against the movement! 

In that you are consistent, I have to admit.  Although it would be better for you if you changed your mind towards having respect for HPB and for the simples.  Because you know she was no fraud.  

Leslie Price, a prestigious SPR member,  played a leading role in  showing the 
SPR fraud against HPB in the 19th century -- but you keep pretending  not to know that... 

Carlos. 


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Data:Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:56:55 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Why Does Daniel Pretend?

> In reference to your remarks below, Carlos,
> I prefer to rely on someone who knows what they
> are talking about. For example...Leslie Price.
> 
> See his testimony at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37804
> 
> Plus my own research indicates that what Leslie Price
> writes is an accurate portrayal of the situation with
> the SPR.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > 
> > You are pretending not to know that all SPR charges against HPB 
> were but informal. 
> > 
> > So their withdrawal could only be informal, as they were. 
> > 
> > But -- why do you pretend you do not know that? It has been already 
> repeated here so many times!
> > 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:27:25 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Let us suppose the SPR actually withdrew its 
> charges about HPB....
> > 
> > > Let us suppose the SPR actually withdrew its charges about HPB.
> > > 
> > > What would it really signify?? What would it really mean?
> > > 
> > > Well, first of all, it is the Council of the SPR who would have to
> > > do this "withdrawing". And the council would have to vote on it.
> > > 
> > > Let us suppose there are 20 people on the SPR Council.
> > > 
> > > Let us also suppose that the vote to withdraw the report was 11 to
> > > 9. That is, 11 to withdraw the Hodgson report, 9 against doing so.
> > > What would be the significance of this vote?
> > > 
> > > If such a vote had actually taken place, and REGARDLESS of the
> > > voting outcome, I would consider the voting results MEANINGLESS.
> > > 
> > > Why?
> > > 
> > > Think about it....
> > > 
> > > How many of the members on the council would even KNOW ENOUGH 
> about
> > > the Hodgson/Blavatsky case to be IN A GOOD POSITION to judge 
> whether
> > > the original charges should be withdrawn or not????
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry but reading Vernon Harrison's article in the SPR 
> Journal 
> > > does not qualify one to be IN A GOOD POSITION....
> > > 
> > > I can tell you one thing.....I am not going to base my view about
> > > Madame Blavatsky and the validity of her paranormal powers, etc. 
> on
> > > a vote of people who "as a group" may know less about her and the
> > > original controversy than your typical Theosophist! :)
> > > 
> > > What if the vote had been 11 for not withdrawing the report? What
> > > would one therefore make of that vote?
> > > 
> > > My advice to interested readers:
> > > 
> > > If you are at all interested in determining the validity or
> > > not of the Hodgson Report, read and study it FOR YOURSELF
> > > and also read and compare it with the various critiques by
> > > Harrison, Carrithers, Vania, Hastings, Besant, Kingsland, etc. as
> > > well as some of the material written by defenders of the Hodgson
> > > Report.
> > > 
> > > Of course the EASIER WAY [the lazy man approach??] is to let some
> > > one else do your homework and thinking for you and just accept 
> that
> > > the SPR [whether formally or informally] withdrew the Hodgson 
> Report
> > > and its charges against HPB, THEREFORE we can conclude that there 
> is
> > > no substance to the charges, etc. etc.
> > > 
> > > Is this like a priest that tells the congregation: "Don't read
> > > the Bible for yourself, I'm here to tell you what it really 
> means"?
> > > 
> > > Now personally I came to the conclusion years before Harrison's
> > > report was published that Madame Blavatsky was treated unfairly in
> > > Hodgson's report and that there were good reasons to discount many
> > > if not all of Hodgson's claims.
> > > 
> > > I came to MY OWN conclusions NOT by believing the SPR supported 
> the
> > > charges or withdrew the charges BUT by reading AND studying the
> > > OBITUARY book plus also reading the Hodgson's report, the Coulomb
> > > pamphlet, the Patterson articles, the Gribble report and dozens of
> > > other books and pamphlets on the subject plus my own research into
> > > other primary sources.
> > > 
> > > Now maybe I am wrong in my own conclusions but at least they are 
> my
> > > own conclusions and not the conclusion made as a result of some 
> SPR
> > > council vote!!!
> > > 
> > > So Carlos Aveline and others of similar thinking, go ahead and
> > > succumb to "organizational" authority, in this case, the
> > > SUPPOSED "informal" withdrawing of the report by the SPR...
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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