Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01011)

Daniel,

I failed to see an evaluation of the "Fraternization Movement" in the posting below. Not a surprise. 

On the other hand, the material you brought to us is too outdated.

Sorry, the agenda of that section of the  theosophical movement which puts HPB first has moved on. 

Carlos. 



 
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Data:Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:29:09 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos & 1929 Fraternization Movement.....

> I wrote:
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> And in reference to 1929 (Fraternization Movement), are you aware of
> the views of the ULT or the ULT officials in this matter?
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> You replied:
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> Please show me any official and recent position of the ULT against the
> "Fraternization Movement", if there is any. No forgeries and no 
> things prior to 1960, please.
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> Since you first mentioned the 1929 Fratrenization Movement and then I 
> asked for more info, you then said "no things prior to 1960, please."
> 
> Strange.
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> How did the majority of ULT associates react to the 1929 F.M. AT THE 
> TIME? 
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> Can we gauge how ULT writers and ULT editors viewed the de 
> Purucker's "fraternizations movement" AT THE TIME.... that is in the 
> official organs of the ULT? 
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> BELOW are three quotes showing the "party" line of the ULT in the 
> 1930s and even 1950s. Now I know you will say there is no party line 
> but these quotes show what was allowed to be published in ULT 
> publications of the time. There may be other quotes also relevant 
> but these will suffice for now.
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> The claims of Dr. de Purucker, his promises and revelations, his 
> campaign for "fraternization" -- are they, or are they not concordant 
> with the four numbered statements of H. P. Blavatsky given above? Is 
> he, or is he not, true to his own profession of faith? With these two 
> questions alone is the true Theosophist concerned, and Dr. de 
> Purucker has himself abundantly supplied the answers. No more than 
> Mrs. Besant's has his course been consistent, either with the 
> recorded statements of H.P.B., or in itself. 
> 
> Neither in Mrs. Besant's course, nor that of Madam Tingley, nor in 
> that of Dr. de Purucker, is there the assumption of direct 
> responsibility for what is said and done. To put it as mildly as 
> possible, it is the attempt to saddle the Masters of Wisdom, H.P.B., 
> Judge, with the responsibility for their words and deeds. 
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> Dr. de Purucker does not submit what he utters on its merits, for 
> impartial and disinterested examination, nor as the contribution of a 
> student of Theosophy to his fellow-students for their inspection in 
> the light of the recorded teachings of H.P.B., their own judgment of 
> its possible value as such a student-contribution. 
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> In his campaign for "fraternization", he does not seek a hearing as 
> fellow-student, but as Successor. He speaks, not as a brother-
> theosophist, but in the tones of Spiritual Authority; not as man to 
> man, but as Messenger. 
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> THEOSOPHY, Vol. 23, No. 12, October, 1935 
> http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/AFTERMATH-10-
> PartSeries/ArticleNumber10of10.html
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> This claim of occult successorship was to be Dr. de Purucker's theme 
> throughout his tenure of office as "Leader" of the Point Loma 
> Theosophical Society. Except for his effort, in 1931, on the 
> anniversary of the birth of H. P. Blavatsky, to gather the members of 
> the other Theosophical Societies into the "true" Society at Point 
> Loma?a gesture of "fraternization" and "reunion" which could hardly 
> succeed so long as Mrs. Besant at Adyar, and Dr. de Purucker at Point 
> Loma, both claimed to represent the "true" Theosophical succession?
> the régime of Dr. de Purucker was uneventful. 
> 
> The Theosophical Movement 1875-1950, p. 275
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> The Theosophical student of this generation has to guard himself 
> against two extremes: one is to limit the freedom of thought and to 
> live like a frog who looks upon his pond as the world, with nothing 
> outside; the other is to expand and embrace indiscriminately--in the 
> name of brotherhood and fraternization--falsehood, ignorance and 
> humbug.
> 
> "The Aryan Path", Dec. 17, 1935
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> Of course, there have been efforts of "fraternization" since the 
> 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. But that was not my question to you.
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> And today in 2006 I would hope that there could be "fraternization" 
> among all Theosophical groups and individuals. Nothing is wrong with 
> that. Maybe it could actually work here on Theos-Talk....
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> Daniel
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