Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00921)

Carlos,

You wrote:

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I suppose someone may have come to the number "665" ( see below) by 
mediumnistic methods, or by public lottery, since we are not given 
substance about that. 
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What vague and distracting comments!

First of all, the "someone" was Dr. H.N.Stokes.  You knew that if you 
had read what I wrote.  He is the person who took the time and effort 
to research the subject.  He came up with that number.  No he didn't 
do it thru mediumship but thru research, etc.

Just as he revealed much about Leadbeater and Besant in his O.E. 
LIBRARY CRITIC, he also did research on, for example, this subject as 
well as the material about the relationship between Mr. Judge and 
Mrs. Tingley.  In both of these latter cases, he simply pointed out 
facts that apparently ULT/Theosophy Company writers didn't want to 
deal with.

In my posting I gave some noted examples of the changes.  Hundreds of 
other examples could be given.  If you would do a simple comparison 
yourself, you would see that what Dr. Stokes and Walter Carrithers 
wrote and spoke about is true.

You continue:

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The corrections, if really made, should be useful.  Similar 
acusations are made against Boris de Zirkoff.  Yet Boris, Pasadena, 
Point Loma  and the ULT have played major roles in preserving the 
teaching. With help from Adyar in many cases (Boris, for instance).
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Well, was the "thin oblongs" correction useful??

Did you read Peter Merriott's objection and analysis of 
this "correction"?

One would think that you might be somewhat concerned if indeed the 
Theosophy Co. edition of the VOICE has "corrections" made not only by 
Judge but also by Besant and Mead!!  

Ask your friend Jerome Wheeler for more details about the Besant/Mead 
connection.

See also:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37651

Who do you think "tampered" with the 1893 edition of the SD?

It appears that you simply do NOT want to admit that there are some 
serious problems with the Theosophy Co. edition of the VOICE.

In comparison, see how Wes Amerman responded in a open and forthright 
way to my findings about the TC edition of the VOICE.  I thought his 
response was admirable and shows that at least he is not one to "beat 
around the bush" and that he neither ignores obvious facts nor 
uses the DENIAL technique.  :)

Wes wrote:

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You are right that regardless of the level or amount of HPB's praise 
for Judge or anyone else, it does not explain whether any 
particular "correction" was justified. Therefore, I agree with Peter 
Merriott that, for example, HPB's phrase "thin oblong squares" should 
not have been changed.

I agree that readers should know what changes are made to a text, and 
by whom. Therefore I agree with your assessment that Dallas' comments 
should also apply to Judge's corrections of "The Voice of the 
Silence." Your solution of affixing a note or label of some sort in 
our current edition of that work has merit, and I will take it up 
with my colleagues at the next available opportunity.

Similarly, I will suggest that when it comes time to re-print 
the "Voice," thatwe do so as she originally wrote it.

This would be entirely consistent with the "hands off" editorial 
policy of The Theosophy Company. More than that, I am not sure what 
it is that you suggest we do.
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Quoted from:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12064

Do you know who Wes Amerman is?

Wes wrote his reply in 2003.  As far as I know, the TC is still 
selling the 1928 version but there is hope that maybe Wes' view will 
prevail and that one day the TC board of directors will vote to 
reprint a facsimile edition of HPB's original.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc