Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00778)

Christina,

I see you did not read the book. 

Leadbeater's contempt for black people, for indigenous people and for what he calls "half-blood" people has been already shown by me, here today, whether you look at it or not. 

I quoted the pages, I wrote about that to Ms. Joy Mills, she confirmed my views in a personal letter which later went public in Brazil;  I sent the correspondence to Radha Burnier;  she avoided commenting the topic 
but did not question my documentation of the facts. 

I have discussed this with many people, no one questioned my quotations. 

As to killing native people, I will bring more quotations, specifically on that, by tomorrow. 

Please accept the facts. 

Regards,  Carlos. 

 



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Data:Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:37:45 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World real story of The perfume of Egypt.

> 
> Carlos you give wrong statement of that book:
> Now I have the book for my nose and readed back this story
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> -At first - Saved by the ghost - is not the longest story and it is 
> not what you present of it.All the coloured people have fight with 
> each other and they hatred whites and it plays in the time 
> leadbeater was a young boy.Nothing of killing people by any white 
> head.
> Baron's room, at the camp of matinez and the flight and possiibly 
> others are much longer stories.
> In a meantime the whole book will be to read at www.Anandgholap.net
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> Christina
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> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Christina, 
> > 
> > Hi. 
> > 
> > You say: 
> > 
> > "This book only shows how karma is working. Nothing special about 
> coloured people."
> > 
> > I say, please read below. 
> > 
> > oooooooo
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> > 
> > In a footnote to his autobiographical Postface in the book "The 
> Seven
> > Veils of Consciousness", C. Jinarajadasa states that that the true 
> story of his
> > own "previous (and glorious) death in Brazil" is narrated in the 
> chapter "Saved by a Ghost", of the book "The Perfume of Egypt" (2).
> > 
> > C.J. believed everything CWL said, and he also writes in the note 
> that the same old silver crucifix which is mentioned in that story 
> was in his possession, as he wrote "The Seven Veils of 
> Consciousness".
> > 
> > As to Leadbeater, in the preface of his 'The Perfume of Egypt", he 
> makes a
> > solemn statement:
> > 
> > "The stories in this book happen to be true."
> > 
> > Along "Saved By a Ghost", the longest story of the volume, 
> Leadbeater proudly describes how he killed numerous black people and 
> indigenous people in South America during his youth.
> > 
> > Of course, common sense says that the story is as illusory as the 
> visits
> > Leabeater made to physical plane civilizations in Mars and Mercury.
> > 
> > But even if it were presented as a `short novel' pure and simple, 
> and not as an autobiographical narration, the content of the text 
> reveals too much of racism and disrespect against black people, 
> indigenous people and their right to live. Leadbeater also uses the 
> term "race" not in its theosophical meaning, but in the 
> nationalistic way, as if each country had its own 'race', 
> anticipating what Adolf Hitler would do decades later.
> > 
> > At p. 167 of the Adyar edition, one starts to read his description 
> of Brazilian
> > people:
> > 
> > "First came the descendants of Spanish and Portuguese conquerors ? 
> a haughty, indolent race; a race courtly and hospitable, by no means 
> without its good qualities, but yet one whose strongest 
> characteristic was an immeasurable contempt (or the affectation of 
> it) for all other races whatsoever".
> > 
> > The amount of illusions-per-line is outstanding here.
> > 
> > First, Spanish people were never `conquerors' in Brazil. The 
> country was
> > `discovered' and made a colony by Portugal. Second, Portuguese 
> people are not a race; and they cannot be easily described 
> as `indolent'. Third, Portuguese people generaly did not 
> show `contempt' for other `races', and it is for this reason that 
> miscigenation ? intermarriage ? was from the first the main 
> anthropological characteristic of the emerging Brazilian nation. 
> Portuguese people easily created strong personal links with black 
> people and indigenous people. (Of course, colonization was also 
> violent.)
> > 
> > In the next paragraph, "bishop" Leadbeater is even more surprising:
> > 
> > "Next came red indians".
> > 
> > Well, there are no `red indians' in Brazil, although the term is 
> very common in
> > old North American Far West bang-bang stories, in which hundreds 
> of "bad"
> > Indians get typically killed by a few white men usually presented 
> as brave
> > heros.
> > 
> > Leadbeater says about "red indians":
> > 
> > "Of these many tribes had adopted a kind of squalid civilization, 
> but many
> > others were still savages untamed and untamable ? men who regarded 
> work of any kind as the deepest degradation ? who hated the white 
> man with a traditional, unrelenting hatred, and (strange as it may 
> seen) more than reciprocated the boundless contempt of the blue-
> blooded hidalgo of Spain. It will be no doubt incomprehensible to 
> many of us that a half-naked savage can entertain any other feeling 
> than envy for our superior civilization, however much he may dislike 
> us; but I can only say that the quite genuine and unaffected feeling 
> of the Red Indian towards the white man is pure and unmitigated 
> contempt."
> > 
> > What are the problems in these few lines? First, again comes the 
> Spanish
> > `hidalgo' (nobleman) apparently ruling Brazil, a country which was 
> independent from Portugal (not Spain), since 1822, and was never 
> under any "Spanish' ruling class. Second, the `red Indian' again. 
> Third, indigenous people and did not express hate against white 
> people, and never actively resisted the domination of European 
> rulers in Brazil. These two paragraphs simply can't refer to any 
> South American country.
> > 
> > But CWL proceeds (p. 168) to develop his unbrotherly view of human 
> beings:
> > 
> > "Then came the negro race ? no inconsiderable portion of the 
> populations, and chiefly in a state of slavery, though the 
> Government was doing all in its power to remove that curse from its 
> territories; and last and worst came what were called the half-
> breeds or half-castes ? a mixed race which seemed, as mixed races 
> sometimes do, to combine all the worst qualities of both its parent 
> stocks. Indians, Spaniards, and Negro alike despised them; and they 
> in turn regarded all alike with a virulent hatred."
> > 
> > We can see in these words some strong `pioneer elements' for the 
> future
> > ideologies of Nazism and Fascism, and ultimately for the mass-
> murder attemtps of "ethnic cleansing". Look at it again:
> > 
> > " (...) and last and worst came what were called the half-breeds 
> or half-castes
> > ? a mixed race which seemed (...) to combine all the worst 
> qualities of both its parent stocks."
> > 
> > This is Leadbeater.
> > 
> > But -- what about Theosophy? What does esoteric philosophy really 
> say about the relations between rich and poor nations and among all 
> different ethnical groups, with their varied kinds of colours in the 
> skin? In the "Letters from the Masters", the famous letter known as 
> coming from the "Great Master" says:
> > 
> > "To achieve the proposed object, a greater, a wiser, and 
> especially a more
> > benevolent intermingling of the high and the low, of the Alpha and 
> the Omega of Society, was determined upon. The white race must be 
> the first to stretch out the hand of fellowship to the dark nations, 
> to call the poor despised `nigger' brother. This prospect may not 
> smile to all, but he is no Theosophist who objects to his principle" 
> (2)
> > 
> > One can only conclude, then, that in writing that paragraph 
> Leadbeater was "no theosophist".
> > 
> > In fact, Leadbeater's vision of human beings as presented in that 
> long story is not only ethically and culturally unacceptable. It is 
> also legally criminal, for
> > racism and stimulation of hatred among people of different skin-
> colours has been defined as crime in Brazil a few years ago.
> > 
> > One can understand why the Brazilian edition of "Saved By a Ghost" 
> cannot be found in Brazilian bookshops any longer. Yet it is still 
> for sale at Adyar, it
> > seems.
> > 
> > ( In another posting, I should refer to Leadbeater's proudly 
> alleged acts of
> > violence leading to death, which, even if seen as fictional, are 
> profoundly
> > untheosophical. )
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > NOTE:
> > 
> > (1) "The Perfume of Egypt", by C. W. Leadbeater, whose sixth 
> edition (TPH Adyar, 265 pp.) is dated 1978.
> > 
> > 
> > (2) "Letters From the Masters of the Wisdom", compiled by C. 
> Jinarajadasa, Adyar TPH, first series, Letter number one, known 
> as `the Maha-Chohan Letter' or "the Great Master Letter'.
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> > > This book only shows how karma is working.
> > > Nothing special about coloured people.
> > > Christina
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