Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00723)

Carlos,
The OTO before Crowley was not the same as it was under him, and not 
as the various OTOs one can find today.

CWL would never been aloud as an OTO-members (or even visit a public 
meeting, or have any contacts at al) under Crowley, for if he hated 
and disgusted someone, that one was Leadbeater. And Crowley didn't 
liked Wedgwood (whom C. considered to be some kind of sub-human, 
totally controlled by CWL), or Besant (C.'s opinion was that AB 
destroyed both Theosophy and the TS), ether, so it is pointless to 
look for any of them in the history of OTO. Wedgwood maybe belonged 
to OTO before Crowley, put as soon Crowley to over after Reuss; 
Wedgwood never could have stain for long (not even days). 

In the "Confessions of Aleister Crowley", one can find al of his 
opinions about this persons, and that so often I hade the chance, 
not hesitated to tell them that I person, straight in the face, 
which he did several times. 

Carl

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> Friends,
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> Dr. Gregory Tillett writes quite a lot about the Ordo of Templi 
Orientis (O.T.O.) and its  dire "magical sexual techiniques" created 
by Aleister Crowley.
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> For those who can stand the subject in details, it is in the 
book "The Elder Brother", pp. 284-285 and others. 
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> The O.T.O. had links with "bishop" Leadbeater and his "pupil" 
Oscar Köllerstrom.  The thing stinks. 
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> Carlos.  
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> Data:Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:46:16 EST
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Anna Sprengler
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> > Carl,
> > May I inquire I see that there is content of Frau Anna Sprengler 
in the 
> > way you describe online. I also see that decades later there is 
reference to a 
> > "Alice Sprengler" who was associated in the O.T.O. Group of 
Zurich which was 
> > dissolved in 1947. There is mention of a Frau Gundala Bader who 
returned it's 
> > documents to Jantzen who was Frau Sprengel's legal heiress. The 
question I ask 
> > is it possible that Alice Sprengler of Nuremberg was the 
daughter of Frau Anna 
> > Sprengler? The Jantzen name is written of in later years about 
organizations 
> > and Frater Saturninus. But this may indicate a trail for the 
documents you 
> > want to find.
> > See linl content below:
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> > Fraternitas Saturni : History -- Eugen Grosche - Guido Wolther - 
Walter 
> > Jantsch
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> > Regards John 
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