Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00579)

Carlos,

As you self has admit, you have never been present during a ULT 
meeting. So do know how these are, and what are said during this? 
And, Carlos, have you even in person meet another ULT-associate? 
Just, asking.

You are claiming that the ULT criticism on the TS Pasadena and the 
TS Adyar was back in 1925 and/or 1925. That is sternly not true. The 
ULT-people are still very much against both this societies (and the 
so call Point Loma groups too), and the normal jargon within the ULT 
is to have negative nicknames on in particularly Tingley, de 
Purucker and Long, as well on Olcott, Besant and Leadbeater.  

The ULT Declaration is saying; ". . . and therefore has neither 
Constitution, By-Laws nor Officers". Is that true? Maybe that was 
Mr. Crosbie original intention or a dream of the ULT, but it not 
like that in the real world. 
Carlos, you wrote; "The ULT is no corporation. It has no officers." 
Do you remember the yellow card you signed to become an associate? 
On one side was the Declaration, and on the other side you 
read; "Being in sympathy with the purposes of this Lodge, as set 
forth in its "Declaration," I hereby record my desire to be enrolled 
as an Associate, it being understood that such association calls for 
no obligation on my part, other than that which I, myself, 
determine." Do you remember? Under this was the line where you wrote 
your name, and under that was two lines. Under the left line was the 
word "Secretary" and under the under the right one "Secretary 
General". No officer? No, of course not!?

Where is it said that new associates have to sign the yellow card? 
That there is it said that the ULT have a "Secretary General"? And 
where are the lodges Secretaries coming from? They are ether elected 
(don't ask me where), or appointed by someone. The process of this, 
must be regulated some where! And so on. Of course ULT 
have "Constitution, By-Laws', but probably called something else.

Carl

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<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Friends,
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> The ULT is  no corporation.  It has no officers.  
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> All its workers are volunteers, except for a few Theosophy Co. 
employees.   They are united but for the desire to study Theosophy 
and to live by what they study, while serving the ideals of the 
theosophical movement. 
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> The ULT volunteer workers teach one another largely by example, 
which is consistent with the Pythagorean tradition and wisdom. 
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> The ULT has no "public discourse" and indeed it is often 
criticized for not answering to the criticisms made about it. 
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> One cannot be simultaneously criticized for being too silent and 
not answering to outside critics, and for having a "corporative 
discourse to the public".  
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> In time: when Caldwell, in order to develop his policy of sowing 
dissent, quotes "ULT's criticisms of Pasadena TS or Adyar TS", he 
usually has to go back to 1950 or to 1925.
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> Very much updated, this Caldwell, isn't he? 
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> Carlos.  
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> Assunto:Theos-World "Each corporation has its own legitimizing 
discourse, etc."
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> > Carlos writes:
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> > "Each corporation has its own legitimizing discourse, etc."
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> > This statement is very true and of course applies to
> > all the various Theosophical societies and groups.
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> > Discussion of and examples of some of these "legitimizing 
discourses" 
> > of the Adyar TS and the ULT have been given here on Theos-Talk 
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> > time to time over the years.
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