CARL, ON WHAT I SAY
Nov 07, 2006 04:46 AM
by carlosaveline
Carl,
I was talking, and am talking, about the fact that HPB was not initiated in any masonic or kind-of-masonic organization; I was talking about the fact that
she received masonic diplomas (at least two) as a homage, and not because she had been initiated in any Rite or masonic organization; I was talking about the fact that according to HPB, modern disciples of the Masters "have nothing to do with modern Masonry", as you can see, with all due bibliographical references, in an earlier message from me, today. (I can repeat the message if you want.)
This is not meant as an offence to anyone's feelings.
I respect "Le Droit Humain" and other masonic orders, although I consider that they are not part of the theosophical movement as designed by the Masters and HPB.
Regards, Carlos.
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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: Words and Words
> Carlos,
>
> No, that wasn't clear!
>
> Carl
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> > I was not talking about the word "Adoption".
> >
> > Wasn't it clear?
> >
> > Carlos.
> >
> >
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Cópia:
> >
> > Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:05:15 -0000
> >
> > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Her Mason Friends
> >
> > > I see that I have to say it again;
> > >
> > > The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means
> that it
> > > is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in the
> > > 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed. Hence
> > > women can't (from their point of view, and then of course) rule
> a
> > > lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male
> lodge,
> > > and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of the
> male
> > > lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
> > >
> > > A Masonic term, is a Masonic term, and what the civil society,
> use
> > > the same word, dose not matter.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We both knew and still know what is "Adoption".
> > > >
> > > > HPB did not go to "Masonic meetings".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So it was a homage, an honorary title, if I may use my own
> words.
> > > >
> > > > You can use your words for the same fact.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yet she was not an active Mason, only a "honorary" one. She
> had
> > > friends there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Cópia:
> > > >
> > > > Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:27:25 -0000
> > > >
> > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CARL NOW DOES CLARIFY!
> > > >
> > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > You wrote: "So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active
> member
> > > of
> > > > > any ritualistic
> > > > > Organizations in the 19 century."
> > > > > Don't twist it around now, for the discussion was if she
> ever
> > > was an
> > > > > active mason or not, and on that my answer is that I have
> never
> > > seen
> > > > > that. And if she participates in any Masonic lodge meeting,
> I
> > > don't
> > > > > know. But if she come, they surely hade let her in.
> > > > > But she was a member of more then two Masonic orders, and
> one of
> > > > > this the A.P.R.M. was honorary. The others (inkl. Sat Bhai),
> > > read
> > > > > for you self:
> > > > >
> > > > > "My Masonic experience ? if you will so term membership in
> > > several
> > > > > Eastern Masonic fraternities and esoteric brotherhoods ? is
> > > confined
> > > > > to the Orient." (HPB Speaks, vol. I p. 31)
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote: "As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look
> at
> > > the
> > > > > facsimile copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB
> > > Speaks".
> > > > > That is honorary, no doubt."
> > > > > The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means
> > > that it
> > > > > is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in
> the
> > > > > 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed.
> Hence
> > > > > women can't (from their point of view, and then of course)
> rule
> > > a
> > > > > lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male
> > > lodge,
> > > > > and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of
> the
> > > male
> > > > > lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
> > > > >
> > > > > And plus the Theosophical Society and The Esoteric School of
> > > > > Theosophy, of course. The rituals of TS (written by Olcott
> 1876)
> > > and
> > > > > EST (based on the old TS-rituals, and rewritten by HPB 1888)
> > > were
> > > > > inspired of Masonic rituals. In Sweden (in the three
> society,
> > > Point
> > > > > Loma, Adyar and the Independent Swedish TS), this rituals
> was
> > > used
> > > > > in till after the 1900. I have seen a photograph from a
> Pasadena
> > > EST-
> > > > > meeting in Helsingborg from the early 1950's. They were al
> > > dressed
> > > > > up in dress cotes, wearing the EST-jewels (stars, as
> designed by
> > > KT,
> > > > > or on her order) and the lodge room was lighted with
> candelabras
> > > > > (there is no doute what it was; hence one clearly can see
> HPB's,
> > > M's
> > > > > and KH's portraits in the background and one of the
> participants
> > > I
> > > > > know in person very well). In 2003, we arrange the
> > > > > last "celebration" of the White Lotus Day in Gothenburg,
> after a
> > > > > ritual written 1889 by Dr Gustaf Zander, President-Founder
> of
> > > the TS
> > > > > in Sweden, Judge's Agent for EST in Scandinavia, disciple of
> > > Jasper
> > > > > Niemand and corresponding with Judge in till 1896. This was
> > > arranged
> > > > > together by Pasadena TS and the Swedish TS. 68 people were
> > > present,
> > > > > and I was in chair.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't say that there has not been or are no rituals in the
> TM.
> > > They
> > > > > are there, and have been there from the very beginning
> (1876).
> > > If
> > > > > branches want to work with them, they are free to do so, if
> they
> > > not
> > > > > want to, when don't have to. It is the same in Adyar, today,
> to.
> > > I
> > > > > know Adyar lodges that still have a ritual (not the same as
> the
> > > > > original, as far as I know) to initiate new members. I was
> > > present
> > > > > in one in 1994 (The Wesak Lodge in Sweden).
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of
> any
> > > > > ritualistic organizations in the 19 century. (See below).
> > > > > Excellent, my brother. Facts are facts and this absence of
> > > > > evidences is a FACT, for sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the
> > > facsimile
> > > > > copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks".
> That
> > > is
> > > > > honorary, no doubt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note that HPB denounced in most vehement terms
> the "ceremonial
> > > > > magic" as a practice for the 19th century.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She probably could smelll the uselessness, nay, the
> > > harmfulness of
> > > > > it in the Aquarius Age...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:51:39 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > > > My answers are in capital letters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever
> > > active
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > such a a
> > > > > > > movement? NOTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT
> ANY "HONORARY
> > > > > MEMBERS"
> > > > > > > EITHER.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What
> about
> > > > > > > originals of her
> > > > > > > statement that she belonged to it? ASK TILLETT, AND THE
> > > > > RESEARCHERS
> > > > > > > IN QC IN LONDON.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write
> > > about
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > an active
> > > > > > > membership? NO< ANF I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What did Olcott tie about this? SORRY, BUT I DON"T
> > > UNDERSTAND
> > > > > THIS
> > > > > > > QUESTION. SAY IT IN OUTHER WORDS, PLEASE.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris
> include
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > > about that
> > > > > > > in HPB's Collected Writings? WAY DO ASK THAT TO ME?
> SORRY,
> > > THEY
> > > > > ARE
> > > > > > > BOTH DEAD, IF THEY WASEN'T, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM
> THAT,
> > > AND
> > > > > NOT
> > > > > > > ME. I THINK THERE IS A FOTNOT IN BCW, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK
> TO
> > > BE
> > > > > SURE.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You
> know
> > > > > there is
> > > > > > > a lot of
> > > > > > > people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner
> or
> > > > > useing
> > > > > > > their names
> > > > > > > for their own purposes.) YES, I KNOW THAT VERY MUCH. BUT
> THE
> > > > > FACT
> > > > > > > THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT HBP AND THE MASTER, THAT YOU
> > > DON'T
> > > > > > > HAPPENED TO LIKE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM UNTRUE OR FALSE.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was
> ever
> > > > > active in
> > > > > > > such a a movement?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What
> > > about
> > > > > > > originals of her statement that she belonged to it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists)
> write
> > > about
> > > > > > > such an active membership?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What did Olcott tie about this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris
> include
> > > > > > > anything about that in HPB's Collected Writings?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You
> > > know
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is a lot of people talking to HPB and the Masters around
> the
> > > > > corner
> > > > > > > or useing their names for their own purposes.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In bona fide, Carlos.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:26:42 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > > > > > See the "Sat Bhai Code" below. Do you see anything
> about
> > > > > > > > > any "honorary member" there?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > CODE
> > > > > > > > > OF
> > > > > > > > > THE ROYAL ORIENTAL ORDER
> > > > > > > > > OF
> > > > > > > > > SIKHA (APEX) AND THE SAT BHAI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > RAHU
> > > > > > > > > REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIRAM
> > > > > > > > > AND OF
> > > > > > > > > THE SAT BHAI OF PRAG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > THE CODE OF SIKHA (APEX), &c.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (1) This Oriental Order embraces the Perfect
> Terrestrial
> > > > > Zone of
> > > > > > > 360
> > > > > > > > > degrees, and the Mystic Zone inclusive of all
> others,
> > > and
> > > > > > > occupies
> > > > > > > > > the highest point of the Masonic fabric. Therefore,
> > > while
> > > > > under
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > benign influence, justice is done to all, and
> > > innovations
> > > > > > > > > inconsistent with the grand principles of harmony,
> and a
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > equality, regulated to the varied circumstances of
> the
> > > > > social
> > > > > > > scale,
> > > > > > > > > are righteously condemned.
> > > > > > > > > (2) This Paramount Order is divided into two,
> namely,
> > > that
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > Sikha
> > > > > > > > > (Apex), the Supreme and Ultimate Mundane, and of the
> Sat
> > > > > Bhai of
> > > > > > > > > Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > > (3) It is a fundamental principle, that there has
> been a
> > > > > regular
> > > > > > > > > succession from the East of the whole Order; but
> more
> > > > > especially
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the Sat Bhai, and without this succession, the chief
> > > title
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Order to universal respect could not exist. This
> being
> > > so,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sponsor by whom the succession has been kept up, and
> > > such
> > > > > > > Sponsors
> > > > > > > > > as have been adopted into it, must in their dual
> > > capacity,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > well
> > > > > > > > > as individually, be incapable of deposition or
> > > supersession,
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > without them, and the possession by the original
> Sponsor
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Red
> > > > > > > > > Ribbon of the Order, there could not possibly be any
> > > > > succession,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > consequently there could be no Order.
> > > > > > > > > (4) But, inasmuch as worldly considerations, in
> their
> > > narrow
> > > > > > > sense,
> > > > > > > > > are alien to the spiritual instructions of the
> Sponsors,
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > been permitted to delegate their administrative and
> > > > > executive
> > > > > > > > > powers, in large measure, to the Arch Censors, who
> are
> > > > > > > accordingly
> > > > > > > > > charged with such duties, while the legislative
> > > function,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > veto, personal as well as dual, remains with the
> former,
> > > as
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > unalienable inheritance, within the Perfect Circle,
> as
> > > > > > > transmitted
> > > > > > > > > by the Sat Bhai of Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > > (5) At any moment of supreme peril to the occidental
> > > home of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Order of Sikha (Apex), and of the Sat Bhai, it shall
> be
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > imperative duty of the First Sponsor, who holds the
> Red
> > > > > Ribbon
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the Order, to summon the Arch Arbiter, the Second
> > > Sponsor,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > Arch Censor, and in their presence to break the seal
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > letter
> > > > > > > > > from Prag, that contains the special mandate of the
> Lord
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Perfect Circle, and of the Sat Bhai, such mandate
> being
> > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > irresistible, and of effect over the whole of this
> Code.
> > > And
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > the exception of this one reservation, this Code
> shall
> > > be
> > > > > > > > > irrevocable and incapable of abrogation, and the
> > > Sponsors,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Censors are charged with its application to the
> > > organisation
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > mystic subjects of the Lord of the Perfect
> Terrestrial
> > > Zone.
> > > > > > > > > (6) Within the Perfect Circle, the mystic numbers
> Nine
> > > and
> > > > > Seven
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > pre-eminent, and while the Lord of the Perfect
> Circle
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sponsors complete the higher number, the lower,
> under
> > > the
> > > > > > > immediate
> > > > > > > > > influence of the Sat Bhai, is subdivided into seven
> > > classes,
> > > > > > > namely:-
> > > > > > > > > (1). Arch Censors. (2). Arch Couriers. (3). Arch
> > > Ministers.
> > > > > (4).
> > > > > > > > > Arch Heralds. (5). Arch Scribes. (6). Arch Auditors.
> > > (7).
> > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Mutes.
> > > > > > > > > (7) The Arch Censors, being of the highest dignity
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Sat
> > > > > > > Bhai,
> > > > > > > > > rule the six subordinate classes, and each, in his
> own
> > > > > > > jurisdiction,
> > > > > > > > > is paramount. In this grade all are equal, and there
> is
> > > no
> > > > > > > priority.
> > > > > > > > > (8) Each Member of each Censorial Section of the six
> > > > > subordinate
> > > > > > > > > classes, shall be known personaily only to his own
> > > Censor,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > the Sponsors under the Lord of the Perfect Zone and
> in
> > > the
> > > > > chain
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > secrecy as well as of responsibility (nccessary for
> the
> > > > > > > exclusion of
> > > > > > > > > the uninitiated), every second link is locked
> downwards
> > > by
> > > > > > > symbols,
> > > > > > > > > signs and countersignshence, the Arch Censor is only
> > > known
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > own Arch Couriers, each of the latter to his own
> Arch
> > > > > Ministers,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > > (9) No one can be admitted to the four higher
> classes of
> > > the
> > > > > Sat
> > > > > > > > > Bhai who has not been previously initiated in the
> > > Mystery of
> > > > > > > > > Freemasonry; and it is a fundamental decree, that
> the
> > > > > classes
> > > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Censor, and Arch Courier are closed against all but
> > > Master
> > > > > > > Masons,
> > > > > > > > > and those of higher degree. But the three lower
> classes
> > > are
> > > > > open
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > both sexes, at the discretion of each Arch Censor,
> > > within
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > own
> > > > > > > > > jurisdiction.
> > > > > > > > > (10) In order to preserve the due relation between
> the
> > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > grades, and to distinguish those of greater
> exaltation,
> > > a
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > numbers pervades the whole, so that each individual
> may
> > > be
> > > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > > > distinguished. But mystic names, conferred by the
> > > Sponsors,
> > > > > > > pertain
> > > > > > > > > exclusively to the four higher classes of the Sat
> Bhai;
> > > the
> > > > > > > lower
> > > > > > > > > receiving only ordinary names. These numbers run
> thus,
> > > > > > > throughout
> > > > > > > > > the combined Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat Bhai:-
>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sikha (Apex)-the Supreme Mundane 1
> > > > > > > > > ................... 2/1 [In a circle.
> > > > > > > > > Sponsors ................... 2/2 "
> > > > > > > > > ................... 2/3 "
> > > > > > > > > A. Censor ................... 3/1 3/2 3/3 &c.
> > > > > > > > > [In a triangle.
> > > > > > > > > A. Courier .................... 4/1 &c. [In an
> > > > > > > > > ellipse.
> > > > > > > > > A. Minister ................... 5/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > > > > > parallelogram.
> > > > > > > > > A. Herald ................... 6/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > > > > > lozenge.
> > > > > > > > > A. Scribe ................... 7/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A. Auditor ................... 8/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A. Mute .................... 9/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Furthermore, to distinguish these grades within
> their
> > > > > special
> > > > > > > > > Circles, the svmbol of each Arch Censor is prefixed
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > number of
> > > > > > > > > the inferior grade in the manner shown in plate 1,
> > > figure 1.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4/1
> > > > > > > > > The Arch Courier 1, of Indra.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But as the A. C. has three symbols, the first is
> placed
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Couriers, the second before the Ministers, and the
> third
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Heralds. (11) Each member of each grade nominates
> seven
> > > > > > > assistants,
> > > > > > > > > and these seven, in like manner, seven probationers;
> but
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > receive only the simple number of their superior, a
> red
> > > > > line,
> > > > > > > drawn
> > > > > > > > > horizontally through which, indicates an assistant,
> and
> > > a
> > > > > red
> > > > > > > one,
> > > > > > > > > vertically, a probationer. These auxiliaries qualify
> to
> > > > > become
> > > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Mutes, but are not considered as within the Perfect
> > > Circle,
> > > > > nor
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > they admitted to its mysteries; they, however, are
> > > taught
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > mystery came from Pryaya, and are employed to
> advance
> > > the
> > > > > cause
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > universal harmony, and their authority is a brief
> > > prescript
> > > > > > > signed
> > > > > > > > > by the immediate superior, by which their
> subordination,
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > pledged word, is secured.
> > > > > > > > > (12) The Obligation, on the simple word of honour of
> the
> > > > > > > candidate,
> > > > > > > > > in every class throughout the combined Order, is
> > > accepted as
> > > > > > > > > sufficient. None but men of reputed honour, true to
> > > their
> > > > > word,
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > admitted, and to such men, experience shows, that
> the
> > > > > pledged
> > > > > > > word
> > > > > > > > > is as inviolable as the solemn oath, the latter as
> > > profane,
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > excluded from the presence of the Lord of the
> Perfect
> > > > > Circle.
> > > > > > > > > (13) Every member of the Order is bound to be in
> > > possession
> > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > mandate or commission, signed in cipher by the
> Sponsors,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > endorsed in like manner, by their respective Arch
> > > Censors,
> > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > to the system of locked links.
> > > > > > > > > (14) The Arch Censors are not necessarily known by
> their
> > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > names to each other, but they may hold congress,
> under
> > > the
> > > > > > > sanction
> > > > > > > > > of the sponsors, for the discussion of important
> matters
> > > > > > > connected
> > > > > > > > > with their own jurisdiction, and within its limits;
> but
> > > one
> > > > > > > > > dissencient voice, whether the whole be present or
> not,
> > > > > shall
> > > > > > > > > invalidate any regulation framed by such congress,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > veto
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the Sponsors, individual as well as dual, will have
> the
> > > same
> > > > > > > effect,
> > > > > > > > > the object being to protect the perhaps farther
> seeing,
> > > > > > > minority, a
> > > > > > > > > policy taught by the history of mankind.
> > > > > > > > > (15) The Sponsors are to be furnished with quarterly
> > > > > reports,
> > > > > > > > > commencing on the first day of each year, by each
> > > Censor,
> > > > > who in
> > > > > > > > > like manner will- be furnished with the necessary
> > > report, by
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > subordinates, and, a return of moneys due and paid,
> > > shall be
> > > > > > > > > comprised in these reports, in addition to
> > > administrative
> > > > > > > details.
> > > > > > > > > (16) These reports will be framed according to the
> > > nature of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > duties of each class thus: The Arch Censors have the
> > > > > > > superintendence
> > > > > > > > > of the Masonic world, from 360 ° to 19 °; the Arch
> > > Couriers
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > 18
> > > > > > > > > ° to 11 %#176;;- The Arch Ministers from 10 ° to 4
> °;
> > > the
> > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Heralds from 3 ° to 1 °. The Arch Scribes are
> charged
> > > with
> > > > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > > > > details, the payment of fees for charters, and
> > > commissions
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Arch Illuminator for materials and work supplied,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > fees
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > admission, and exaltation, as settled, and regulated
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Censors, the latter being charged with a general
> > > > > supervision.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > Arch Auditors and Arch Mutes are charged with the
> > > collection
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > important information from all sources, public and
> > > private.
> > > > > > > > > The Sponsors receive no fees, but whatever is voted
> to
> > > them
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Arch Censors, they may accept.
> > > > > > > > > (17) The Arch Arbiter is the highest judicial
> > > functionary,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > known only by his name within the Perfect Circle,
> but
> > > has no
> > > > > > > active
> > > > > > > > > part or responsibility in the Order, and is
> superseded
> > > > > > > periodically.
> > > > > > > > > (18) In each case when a superior is addressed, he
> must
> > > be
> > > > > > > protected
> > > > > > > > > by his inferior against the expenses of a
> correspondence
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > necessarily be of vast extent, and which would be
> > > oppressive
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > superior.
> > > > > > > > > (19) The offices of Arch Emissary, Arch Secretary,
> Arch
> > > > > > > Historian,
> > > > > > > > > Arch Treasurer, Arch Auditor and Arch Illuminator
> are
> > > > > tentative,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first, fourth, and fifth being extra to the Order.
> Of
> > > their
> > > > > > > > > patronage, the first is in the gift of the Sponsors,
> the
> > > > > second
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > sixth of the first Sponsor, or he who holds the Red
> > > Ribbon
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Bell
> > > > > > > > > of the Order, the third, fourth, and fifth, of the
> Arch
> > > > > Censors.
> > > > > > > > > (20) Among the archives of the Order are many
> fragments
> > > of
> > > > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > > > antiquity, and these comprise various documents in
> the
> > > > > ancient
> > > > > > > > > languages of the East. When required to secure in a
> > > printed
> > > > > > > form,
> > > > > > > > > the Book of Sikha (Apex), and Legend of the Red
> Ribbon,
> > > the
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > Sponsor will receive proposals from the Arch Censors
> > > with
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > > in view, one grand object of the Order being to
> incite
> > > to a
> > > > > > > study of
> > > > > > > > > the great truths contained in early Sanskrit
> literature.
> > > > > > > > > (21) No member of the Order can be superseded or
> > > expelled,
> > > > > nor
> > > > > > > shall
> > > > > > > > > he have the power to resign his office (and never
> his
> > > > > > > membership)
> > > > > > > > > without the final sanction of the Sponsors, under
> the
> > > advice
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Arch Arbiter, or Hindu referee.
> > > > > > > > > (22) The R.O.O. of Sikha and the Sat Bhai is the
> only
> > > system
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Round or Natural Freemasonry.
> > > > > > > > > (23) The signs and passwords of this Order are
> issued
> > > only
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > First Sponsor triennially, when they are changed at
> the
> > > > > Vernal
> > > > > > > > > Equinox. No S.B. can share in the rites and councils
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > > who is not in possession of the signs and passwords
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > smaller
> > > > > > > > > cycles. But the Illuminated who are in the innermost
> > > circle
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > exempt from ordinary rules. An Arch Censor may be
> > > > > Illuminated
> > > > > > > > > without preliminary perfection or maturity, and only
> the
> > > > > > > Illuminated
> > > > > > > > > are eligible to succeed to the death vacancy of a
> > > Sponsor.
> > > > > > > > > (24) The great Lotus Seal of the Order is common to
> the
> > > > > > > > > Jurisdictions of the Order, but its custodian must
> be
> > > > > elected in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > jurisdiction, and subject to the confirmation of the
> > > First
> > > > > > > Sponsor.
> > > > > > > > > (25) The Code of Sikha (Apex) is the sole law of the
> > > R.O.O.,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > immutable. But signs and passwords are tentative for
> > > fixed
> > > > > > > periods,
> > > > > > > > > and bye-laws may be permitted tentatively by Rahu,
> as
> > > > > > > representative
> > > > > > > > > of Artiram. Nothing is valid without the personal
> and
> > > usual
> > > > > lay
> > > > > > > > > signature of the Arch Secretary to verity it.
> > > > > > > > > (26) The Third Sponsor, as a rule, dormant, may, by
> the
> > > > > > > proclamation
> > > > > > > > > of the First Sponsor, be called into activity and
> > > duality
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > him,
> > > > > > > > > whereupon the Second Sponsor becomes for a season or
> > > seasons
> > > > > > > > > dormant. No Sponsor can be also an Arch Censor, but
> he
> > > may
> > > > > > > > > temporarily discharge the latter's functions.
> > > > > > > > > (27) The Vernal Equinoxes for changing signs and
> > > Passwords
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 1877, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, &c.
> > > > > > > > > (28) There are three Seals, viz. -The Great Lotus
> Seal;
> > > the
> > > > > Key
> > > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > > of the Arch Secretary; and the First Sponsors Privy
> > > Seal;
> > > > > There
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > also the Arch Censors' segmental Seals.
> > > > > > > > > (29) No Ritual can be used which is not stamped with
> the
> > > > > Great
> > > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > > of the Order produced in Ashayana. So also Perfected
> > > > > Sadhanams,
> > > > > > > > > Marks, and Illuminated Sadhanams are invalid without
> the
> > > > > said
> > > > > > > seal
> > > > > > > > > and the confirmation of the First Sponsor presiding
> in
> > > > > Ashayana.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > Order holds Ghonslas Ashayanas, and Nidams, to which
> > > there
> > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > admission without Mandate or Sadhanam. The latter is
> > > > > ineffectual
> > > > > > > > > unless endorsed by the Arch Secretary in his usual
> lay
> > > > > > > signature.
> > > > > > > > > (30) No Sat Bhai can resign, but absolute ignoring
> of
> > > O.B.,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > notoriously gross act of dishonour involves de
> facto,
> > > loss
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > rank
> > > > > > > > > to be signified by the First Sponsor and Arch
> Secretary.
> > > > > > > > > (31) There may be more than one jurisdiction. That
> of
> > > the
> > > > > First
> > > > > > > > > Sponsor is the paramount. Each may have its own A.
> > > Censors,
> > > > > &c.;
> > > > > > > > > Segments may be exchanged.
> > > > > > > > > (32) There are seven Provinces or an Heptarchy in
> > > England,
> > > > > > > Scotland,
> > > > > > > > > and Ireland. Mahanathas rule these by charter under
> the
> > > > > Great
> > > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > > of the Order. The Sponsors form the Court of Appeal
> of
> > > > > these,
> > > > > > > but no
> > > > > > > > > Sponsor can receive any donative or fee of intrinsic
> > > value.
> > > > > In
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > case gifts must be honorary, such as testimonials on
> > > > > parchment.
> > > > > > > > > (33) 'The Feathers of the Sat Bhai', Archaeological
> > > Tracts
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > R.O.O. may be under the editorship of any S.B. duly
> > > > > appointed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > SYMBOLS, ETC.
> > > > > > > > > The symbols, Paroles and countersigns, ancient and
> > > modern,
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and of the Sat
> Bhai
> > > of
> > > > > > > Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > > (1) The Symbols of Sikha (Apex) are:- (1) The
> Mundane
> > > Egg.
> > > > > (2).
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > Crossed Square within a Perfect circle. (3). The
> Fruit
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Sacred
> > > > > > > > > Lotus. (4). The Harmonic Octave, expressed by its
> > > graphic
> > > > > > > expression
> > > > > > > > > of a double shell. (5) The Anga. (6) A swan. (7) A
> Bull.
> > > > > [plate
> > > > > > > 1,
> > > > > > > > > figures 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]. The Symbol of the Sat Bhai
> is
> > > Seven
> > > > > Grey
> > > > > > > > > Feathers, 2,3, and 2
> > > > > > > > > (2) The symbols of the Dual Sponsors are - (1).The
> > > Crescent
> > > > > > > Moon.
> > > > > > > > > (2). The Signs of the Ascending and of the
> descending
> > > Node.
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first Sponsor-- (1). The Rose. (2) The Kamalata. (3)
> An
> > > > > Arrow.
> > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > the Second Sponsor--(1). An Unicorn's Horn. (2) The
> > > > > Amaranth. Of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Dormant Sponsor--The Sun in eclipse.
> > > > > > > > > The parole or pass-word to the Sponsors
> is ......... ;
> > > the
> > > > > sign,
> > > > > > > > > touching the......... of the .........
> > > > > > > > > (3) The Arch Censors are in the third yug symbolised
> by
> > > a
> > > > > Boar
> > > > > > > > > avatar (plate 1, figure 18]. Their distinctive
> symbols
> > > are
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > > > each:-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Indra I A Thunderbolt 2 A Lamp 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2. Ganesha 1 An EIephant 2 A Conch 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. Agni 1 A Flame 2 A Lotus 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4. Surya 1 A Wheel 2 Sunflower 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5. Kartikeya 1 A Peacock 2 A Sword 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6. Kama 1 A Parrot 2 A Bent Bow 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 7. Daksha 1 A Dexter Hand 2 An Ear of Wheat
> > > > > > > > > 3.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The pass-word to the Arch Censors is......... ; the
> > > sign,
> > > > > > > touching
> > > > > > > > > the......... of the right .........
> > > > > > > > > (4) The Arch Couriers are in the fourth yug, of
> which
> > > the
> > > > > symbol
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > a lion-headed man. They have one distinctive symbol
> each
> > > > > placed
> > > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's first symbol. The
> > > > > password to
> > > > > > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching
> the.........
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > the......... forefinger.
> > > > > > > > > (5) The Arch Ministers are in the fifth yug,
> symbolised
> > > by
> > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > interlaced triangles. They have one distinctive
> symbol
> > > each,
> > > > > > > placed
> > > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's second symbol.
> The
> > > > > password
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching
> the.........
> > > of
> > > > > > > > > the.........
> > > > > > > > > (6) The Arch Heralds are in the sixth yug, for which
> the
> > > > > symbol
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > an antique crown. They have one distinctive symbol
> each,
> > > > > placed
> > > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's third symbol. The
> > > > > password to
> > > > > > > > > this grade is......... the sign, the palms.........
> > > > > > > > > (7) The Arch Scribes are in the seventh yug. There
> are
> > > no
> > > > > > > symbols in
> > > > > > > > > this grade, but the A. Ss. have distinctive numbers
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > Nagara
> > > > > > > > > character. Pass-word.......... No sign.
> > > > > > > > > (8) The Arch Auditors are in the eighth yug. They
> have
> > > each
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > Devanagri letter before their names, under the
> > > Minister's
> > > > > > > symbol. No
> > > > > > > > > password. No sign.
> > > > > > > > > (9) The Arch Mutes are in the ninth yug: They have
> each
> > > a
> > > > > letter
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the Devanagri character before their names and under
> the
> > > > > > > Herald's
> > > > > > > > > symbol. No pass-word. No sign.
> > > > > > > > > Nomenclature of the Arch Grades, under the Lord of
> the
> > > > > Perfect
> > > > > > > Zone,
> > > > > > > > > 360 °:-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1 Sponsor.............. Rahu
> > > > > > > > > 2 Sponsor.............. Ketu
> > > > > > > > > 3 Kamadyam......... [Dormant]
> > > > > > > > > 1 Arch Censor Indra 1 Arch Minister
> > > > > > > > > Dhanus
> > > > > > > > > 2 " " Ganesha 2 " "
> > > > > > > > > Mesha
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3 " " Agni 3 " "
> > > > > > > > > Vrisha
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4 " " Surya 4 " " Simha
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5 " " Kartikeya 5 " "
> > > > > > > > > Makara
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6 " " Kama 6 " " Kumba
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 7 " " Daksha 7 " "
> > > > > > > > > Karkata
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1 Arch Courier Kuvera 1 Arch Herald
> > > > > > > > > Sanjaya
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2 " " Vira Badra 2 " "
> > > > > > > > > Heri
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3 " " Bhairava 3 " "
> > > > > > > > > Rama
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4 " " Varuna 4 " "
> > > > > > > > > Nareda
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5 " " Yama 5 " "
> > > > > > > > > Agastya
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6 " " Garuda 6 " " Hotri
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 7 " " Aruna 7 " "
> > > > > > > > > Petri
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1 Arch Scribe Pravaha 1 Arch Auditor Rad
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2 " " Avaha 2 " " Tara
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3 " " Udraha 3 " "
> > > > > > > > > Nadiyan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4 " " Samkaha 4 " "
> > > > > > > > > Ankhen
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5 " " Vivaha 5 " " Kan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6 " " Parivaha 6 " "
> > > > > > > > > Udaka
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 7 " " Nivaha 7 " " Vayu
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1 Arch Mute Kalga fem. Narangi
> > > > > > > > > 2 " " Pipat " Angur
> > > > > > > > > 3 " " Bat " Zaitun
> > > > > > > > > 4 " " Champa " Seb
> > > > > > > > > 5 " " Tulasi " Angir
> > > > > > > > > 6 " " Singarhar " Badan
> > > > > > > > > 7 " " Soma " Anar
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (10) Oriental garments being disused, except the
> Grey
> > > Choga
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Cap,
> > > > > > > > > the only mark of membership is a red silk cord of
> three
> > > > > strands,
> > > > > > > > > round the neck.
> > > > > > > > > The general pass-word is......... The colours of the
> > > Order
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > Red,
> > > > > > > > > Blue, White; those of Sponsors, Red, Blue, Yellow;
> and
> > > of
> > > > > > > Segments,
> > > > > > > > > the Prismatic.
> > > > > > > > > MONETARY REGULATIONS
> > > > > > > > > Under the supervision of the Arch Censors, Arch
> > > Treasurer,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Scribes, and extra to the Order.
> > > > > > > > > (1) A reserve fund for charity, and the use of the
> > > > > intelligence
> > > > > > > > > department, is to be formed.
> > > > > > > > > (2) The Sponsors having renounced all Claim on the
> funds
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Order, they may accept donations as offerings to
> Sikha
> > > > > (Apex)
> > > > > > > > > without injury to the spiritual element, if
> voluntarily,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > unconditionally made by the Arch Censors.
> > > > > > > > > (3) The Arch Censors and their subordinates are
> entitled
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > remuneration for actual work done. The Arch Censors'
> > > > > regulations
> > > > > > > > > must be accepted, if promulgated by the Seven in
> > > Congress,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > unanimous.
> > > > > > > > > 4) The Arch Secretary is entitled to recompense for
> time
> > > and
> > > > > > > outlay.
> > > > > > > > > (5) The Arch Illuminator is entitled to recompense
> for
> > > time
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > outlay, in preparing charters or commissions, &c.
> His
> > > > > charges
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > been allowed. For a parchment charter, if required
> > > > > illuminated,
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > guinea; for a prescript or mandate, two shillings
> and
> > > > > sixpence;
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > for symbols of Sponsors and Censors, each one
> shilling.
> > > > > > > > > (6) The Arch Treasurer is entitled to a percentage
> on
> > > the
> > > > > funds,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > same to be fixed by the Arch Censors in Congress.
> > > > > > > > > (7) The other Arch Officers receive remuneration
> > > according
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > duties
> > > > > > > > > performed, or expenses incurred.
> > > > > > > > > (8) The first Occidental Arch Censors, under the
> > > > > dispensation of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Lord of the Perfect Zone, have entered the Circle
> free;
> > > but
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > successors, and those of the grades under their
> > > > > jurisdiction,
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > required to pay the following fees to the Arch
> Treasurer
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Arch Censors:-
> > > > > > > > > £ s. d. £ s. d.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A. Mute " " A. Auditor " "
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A. Scribe " " A. Herald "
> > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > A. Minister " " A. Courier "
> > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > A. Censor £ " "
> > > > > > > > > These fees may be regulated from time to time.
> > > > > > > > > To obviate the inconvenience of disclosing the
> titles of
> > > the
> > > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > > to the outer world, the postal address will
> > > be 'Secretary
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > other)
> > > > > > > > > of the Royal Oriental S. B. Order.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carl, Tillett, Friends,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai,
> and
> > > this,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > early as 1877.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that
> a
> > > > > homage
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > made to her.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma
> > > from "Adoption
> > > > > > > Masonry",
> > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Honorary titles.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > possibility, and
> > > > > > > > > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the
> vital
> > > > > element
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > > > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were
> > > > > objections
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > Indian
> > > > > > > > > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > HPB and
> > > > > > > > > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat
> B'hai,
> > > on
> > > > > > > August 9,
> > > > > > > > > 1877.
> > > > > > > > > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level
> > > one,
> > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > > Auditor; the
> > > > > > > > > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like
> the
> > > > > fifth
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > > > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women.
> HSO
> > > was
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > member of
> > > > > > > > > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier;
> the
> > > name
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > degree was
> > > > > > > > > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons
> (as
> > > was
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > degree).
> > > > > > > > > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > > > the lowest.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the
> Sat
> > > > > B'hai
> > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > to have
> > > > > > > > > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James
> Henry
> > > > > > > Lawrence
> > > > > > > > > Archer of
> > > > > > > > > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the
> Order
> > > was
> > > > > > > largely
> > > > > > > > > of the work
> > > > > > > > > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86),
> > > author
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the "Royal
> > > > > > > > > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the
> TS.
> > > The
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > statements about the Order appeared in
> > > correspondence
> > > > > > > in "The
> > > > > > > > > Freemason"
> > > > > > > > > > > in early 1871, however although great claims
> were
> > > made
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > antiquity
> > > > > > > > > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts
> to
> > > > > establish
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > > working organization, it does not seem to have
> moved
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > beyond
> > > > > > > > > being a
> > > > > > > > > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded
> that
> > > the
> > > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within
> the
> > > TS.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in
> Sat
> > > > > B'hai
> > > > > > > comes
> > > > > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I
> believe,
> > > still
> > > > > are)
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the Yarker
> > > > > > > > > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > > > > > > > >
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