HPB and Her Mason Friends
Nov 06, 2006 05:40 AM
by carlosaveline
Carl,
We both knew and still know what is "Adoption".
HPB did not go to "Masonic meetings".
So it was a homage, an honorary title, if I may use my own words.
You can use your words for the same fact.
Yet she was not an active Mason, only a "honorary" one. She had friends there.
Carlos.
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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CARL NOW DOES CLARIFY!
> Carlos,
> You wrote: "So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of
> any ritualistic
> Organizations in the 19 century."
> Don't twist it around now, for the discussion was if she ever was an
> active mason or not, and on that my answer is that I have never seen
> that. And if she participates in any Masonic lodge meeting, I don't
> know. But if she come, they surely hade let her in.
> But she was a member of more then two Masonic orders, and one of
> this the A.P.R.M. was honorary. The others (inkl. Sat Bhai), read
> for you self:
>
> "My Masonic experience ? if you will so term membership in several
> Eastern Masonic fraternities and esoteric brotherhoods ? is confined
> to the Orient." (HPB Speaks, vol. I p. 31)
>
> You wrote: "As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the
> facsimile copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks".
> That is honorary, no doubt."
> The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means that it
> is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in the
> 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed. Hence
> women can't (from their point of view, and then of course) rule a
> lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male lodge,
> and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of the male
> lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
>
> And plus the Theosophical Society and The Esoteric School of
> Theosophy, of course. The rituals of TS (written by Olcott 1876) and
> EST (based on the old TS-rituals, and rewritten by HPB 1888) were
> inspired of Masonic rituals. In Sweden (in the three society, Point
> Loma, Adyar and the Independent Swedish TS), this rituals was used
> in till after the 1900. I have seen a photograph from a Pasadena EST-
> meeting in Helsingborg from the early 1950's. They were al dressed
> up in dress cotes, wearing the EST-jewels (stars, as designed by KT,
> or on her order) and the lodge room was lighted with candelabras
> (there is no doute what it was; hence one clearly can see HPB's, M's
> and KH's portraits in the background and one of the participants I
> know in person very well). In 2003, we arrange the
> last "celebration" of the White Lotus Day in Gothenburg, after a
> ritual written 1889 by Dr Gustaf Zander, President-Founder of the TS
> in Sweden, Judge's Agent for EST in Scandinavia, disciple of Jasper
> Niemand and corresponding with Judge in till 1896. This was arranged
> together by Pasadena TS and the Swedish TS. 68 people were present,
> and I was in chair.
>
> Don't say that there has not been or are no rituals in the TM. They
> are there, and have been there from the very beginning (1876). If
> branches want to work with them, they are free to do so, if they not
> want to, when don't have to. It is the same in Adyar, today, to. I
> know Adyar lodges that still have a ritual (not the same as the
> original, as far as I know) to initiate new members. I was present
> in one in 1994 (The Wesak Lodge in Sweden).
>
> Carl
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of any
> ritualistic organizations in the 19 century. (See below).
> Excellent, my brother. Facts are facts and this absence of
> evidences is a FACT, for sure.
> >
> > As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the facsimile
> copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks". That is
> honorary, no doubt.
> >
> > Note that HPB denounced in most vehement terms the "ceremonial
> magic" as a practice for the 19th century.
> >
> > She probably could smelll the uselessness, nay, the harmfulness of
> it in the Aquarius Age...
> >
> > Regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > > My answers are in capital letters.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever active
> in
> > > such a a
> > > movement? NOTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT ANY "HONORARY
> MEMBERS"
> > > EITHER.
> > >
> > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about
> > > originals of her
> > > statement that she belonged to it? ASK TILLETT, AND THE
> RESEARCHERS
> > > IN QC IN LONDON.
> > >
> > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about
> such
> > > an active
> > > membership? NO< ANF I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER.
> > >
> > > What did Olcott tie about this? SORRY, BUT I DON"T UNDERSTAND
> THIS
> > > QUESTION. SAY IT IN OUTHER WORDS, PLEASE.
> > >
> > >
> > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris include
> anything
> > > about that
> > > in HPB's Collected Writings? WAY DO ASK THAT TO ME? SORRY, THEY
> ARE
> > > BOTH DEAD, IF THEY WASEN'T, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM THAT, AND
> NOT
> > > ME. I THINK THERE IS A FOTNOT IN BCW, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK TO BE
> SURE.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know
> there is
> > > a lot of
> > > people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner or
> useing
> > > their names
> > > for their own purposes.) YES, I KNOW THAT VERY MUCH. BUT THE
> FACT
> > > THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT HBP AND THE MASTER, THAT YOU DON'T
> > > HAPPENED TO LIKE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM UNTRUE OR FALSE.
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever
> active in
> > > such a a movement?
> > > >
> > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What about
> > > originals of her statement that she belonged to it?
> > > >
> > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write about
> > > such an active membership?
> > > >
> > > > What did Olcott tie about this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris include
> > > anything about that in HPB's Collected Writings?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You know
> there
> > > is a lot of people talking to HPB and the Masters around the
> corner
> > > or useing their names for their own purposes.)
> > > >
> > > > In bona fide, Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:26:42 -0000
> > > >
> > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > >
> > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > See the "Sat Bhai Code" below. Do you see anything about
> > > > > any "honorary member" there?
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > > CODE
> > > > > OF
> > > > > THE ROYAL ORIENTAL ORDER
> > > > > OF
> > > > > SIKHA (APEX) AND THE SAT BHAI
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RAHU
> > > > > REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIRAM
> > > > > AND OF
> > > > > THE SAT BHAI OF PRAG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > THE CODE OF SIKHA (APEX), &c.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) This Oriental Order embraces the Perfect Terrestrial
> Zone of
> > > 360
> > > > > degrees, and the Mystic Zone inclusive of all others, and
> > > occupies
> > > > > the highest point of the Masonic fabric. Therefore, while
> under
> > > its
> > > > > benign influence, justice is done to all, and innovations
> > > > > inconsistent with the grand principles of harmony, and a
> just
> > > > > equality, regulated to the varied circumstances of the
> social
> > > scale,
> > > > > are righteously condemned.
> > > > > (2) This Paramount Order is divided into two, namely, that
> of
> > > Sikha
> > > > > (Apex), the Supreme and Ultimate Mundane, and of the Sat
> Bhai of
> > > > > Pryaya.
> > > > > (3) It is a fundamental principle, that there has been a
> regular
> > > > > succession from the East of the whole Order; but more
> especially
> > > of
> > > > > the Sat Bhai, and without this succession, the chief title
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Order to universal respect could not exist. This being so,
> the
> > > > > Sponsor by whom the succession has been kept up, and such
> > > Sponsors
> > > > > as have been adopted into it, must in their dual capacity,
> as
> > > well
> > > > > as individually, be incapable of deposition or supersession,
> for
> > > > > without them, and the possession by the original Sponsor of
> the
> > > Red
> > > > > Ribbon of the Order, there could not possibly be any
> succession,
> > > and
> > > > > consequently there could be no Order.
> > > > > (4) But, inasmuch as worldly considerations, in their narrow
> > > sense,
> > > > > are alien to the spiritual instructions of the Sponsors,
> they
> > > have
> > > > > been permitted to delegate their administrative and
> executive
> > > > > powers, in large measure, to the Arch Censors, who are
> > > accordingly
> > > > > charged with such duties, while the legislative function,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > veto, personal as well as dual, remains with the former, as
> an
> > > > > unalienable inheritance, within the Perfect Circle, as
> > > transmitted
> > > > > by the Sat Bhai of Pryaya.
> > > > > (5) At any moment of supreme peril to the occidental home of
> the
> > > > > Order of Sikha (Apex), and of the Sat Bhai, it shall be the
> > > > > imperative duty of the First Sponsor, who holds the Red
> Ribbon
> > > of
> > > > > the Order, to summon the Arch Arbiter, the Second Sponsor,
> and
> > > one
> > > > > Arch Censor, and in their presence to break the seal of the
> > > letter
> > > > > from Prag, that contains the special mandate of the Lord of
> the
> > > > > Perfect Circle, and of the Sat Bhai, such mandate being
> > > absolutely
> > > > > irresistible, and of effect over the whole of this Code. And
> > > with
> > > > > the exception of this one reservation, this Code shall be
> > > > > irrevocable and incapable of abrogation, and the Sponsors,
> and
> > > Arch
> > > > > Censors are charged with its application to the organisation
> of
> > > the
> > > > > mystic subjects of the Lord of the Perfect Terrestrial Zone.
> > > > > (6) Within the Perfect Circle, the mystic numbers Nine and
> Seven
> > > are
> > > > > pre-eminent, and while the Lord of the Perfect Circle and
> the
> > > > > Sponsors complete the higher number, the lower, under the
> > > immediate
> > > > > influence of the Sat Bhai, is subdivided into seven classes,
> > > namely:-
> > > > > (1). Arch Censors. (2). Arch Couriers. (3). Arch Ministers.
> (4).
> > > > > Arch Heralds. (5). Arch Scribes. (6). Arch Auditors. (7).
> Arch
> > > > > Mutes.
> > > > > (7) The Arch Censors, being of the highest dignity of the
> Sat
> > > Bhai,
> > > > > rule the six subordinate classes, and each, in his own
> > > jurisdiction,
> > > > > is paramount. In this grade all are equal, and there is no
> > > priority.
> > > > > (8) Each Member of each Censorial Section of the six
> subordinate
> > > > > classes, shall be known personaily only to his own Censor,
> and
> > > to
> > > > > the Sponsors under the Lord of the Perfect Zone and in the
> chain
> > > of
> > > > > secrecy as well as of responsibility (nccessary for the
> > > exclusion of
> > > > > the uninitiated), every second link is locked downwards by
> > > symbols,
> > > > > signs and countersignshence, the Arch Censor is only known
> to
> > > his
> > > > > own Arch Couriers, each of the latter to his own Arch
> Ministers,
> > > and
> > > > > so on.
> > > > > (9) No one can be admitted to the four higher classes of the
> Sat
> > > > > Bhai who has not been previously initiated in the Mystery of
> > > > > Freemasonry; and it is a fundamental decree, that the
> classes
> > > Arch
> > > > > Censor, and Arch Courier are closed against all but Master
> > > Masons,
> > > > > and those of higher degree. But the three lower classes are
> open
> > > to
> > > > > both sexes, at the discretion of each Arch Censor, within
> his
> > > own
> > > > > jurisdiction.
> > > > > (10) In order to preserve the due relation between the
> various
> > > > > grades, and to distinguish those of greater exaltation, a
> system
> > > of
> > > > > numbers pervades the whole, so that each individual may be
> > > clearly
> > > > > distinguished. But mystic names, conferred by the Sponsors,
> > > pertain
> > > > > exclusively to the four higher classes of the Sat Bhai; the
> > > lower
> > > > > receiving only ordinary names. These numbers run thus,
> > > throughout
> > > > > the combined Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat Bhai:-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sikha (Apex)-the Supreme Mundane 1
> > > > > ................... 2/1 [In a circle.
> > > > > Sponsors ................... 2/2 "
> > > > > ................... 2/3 "
> > > > > A. Censor ................... 3/1 3/2 3/3 &c.
> > > > > [In a triangle.
> > > > > A. Courier .................... 4/1 &c. [In an
> > > > > ellipse.
> > > > > A. Minister ................... 5/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > parallelogram.
> > > > > A. Herald ................... 6/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > lozenge.
> > > > > A. Scribe ................... 7/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Auditor ................... 8/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Mute .................... 9/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Furthermore, to distinguish these grades within their
> special
> > > > > Circles, the svmbol of each Arch Censor is prefixed to the
> > > number of
> > > > > the inferior grade in the manner shown in plate 1, figure 1.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4/1
> > > > > The Arch Courier 1, of Indra.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But as the A. C. has three symbols, the first is placed
> before
> > > the
> > > > > Couriers, the second before the Ministers, and the third
> before
> > > the
> > > > > Heralds. (11) Each member of each grade nominates seven
> > > assistants,
> > > > > and these seven, in like manner, seven probationers; but
> these
> > > > > receive only the simple number of their superior, a red
> line,
> > > drawn
> > > > > horizontally through which, indicates an assistant, and a
> red
> > > one,
> > > > > vertically, a probationer. These auxiliaries qualify to
> become
> > > Arch
> > > > > Mutes, but are not considered as within the Perfect Circle,
> nor
> > > are
> > > > > they admitted to its mysteries; they, however, are taught
> that
> > > the
> > > > > mystery came from Pryaya, and are employed to advance the
> cause
> > > of
> > > > > universal harmony, and their authority is a brief prescript
> > > signed
> > > > > by the immediate superior, by which their subordination, on
> the
> > > > > pledged word, is secured.
> > > > > (12) The Obligation, on the simple word of honour of the
> > > candidate,
> > > > > in every class throughout the combined Order, is accepted as
> > > > > sufficient. None but men of reputed honour, true to their
> word,
> > > are
> > > > > admitted, and to such men, experience shows, that the
> pledged
> > > word
> > > > > is as inviolable as the solemn oath, the latter as profane,
> > > being
> > > > > excluded from the presence of the Lord of the Perfect
> Circle.
> > > > > (13) Every member of the Order is bound to be in possession
> of a
> > > > > mandate or commission, signed in cipher by the Sponsors, and
> > > > > endorsed in like manner, by their respective Arch Censors,
> > > according
> > > > > to the system of locked links.
> > > > > (14) The Arch Censors are not necessarily known by their
> > > personal
> > > > > names to each other, but they may hold congress, under the
> > > sanction
> > > > > of the sponsors, for the discussion of important matters
> > > connected
> > > > > with their own jurisdiction, and within its limits; but one
> > > > > dissencient voice, whether the whole be present or not,
> shall
> > > > > invalidate any regulation framed by such congress, and the
> veto
> > > of
> > > > > the Sponsors, individual as well as dual, will have the same
> > > effect,
> > > > > the object being to protect the perhaps farther seeing,
> > > minority, a
> > > > > policy taught by the history of mankind.
> > > > > (15) The Sponsors are to be furnished with quarterly
> reports,
> > > > > commencing on the first day of each year, by each Censor,
> who in
> > > > > like manner will- be furnished with the necessary report, by
> his
> > > > > subordinates, and, a return of moneys due and paid, shall be
> > > > > comprised in these reports, in addition to administrative
> > > details.
> > > > > (16) These reports will be framed according to the nature of
> the
> > > > > duties of each class thus: The Arch Censors have the
> > > superintendence
> > > > > of the Masonic world, from 360 ° to 19 °; the Arch Couriers
> from
> > > 18
> > > > > ° to 11 %#176;;- The Arch Ministers from 10 ° to 4 °; the
> Arch
> > > > > Heralds from 3 ° to 1 °. The Arch Scribes are charged with
> > > fiscal
> > > > > details, the payment of fees for charters, and commissions
> to
> > > the
> > > > > Arch Illuminator for materials and work supplied, and the
> fees
> > > on
> > > > > admission, and exaltation, as settled, and regulated by the
> Arch
> > > > > Censors, the latter being charged with a general
> supervision.
> > > The
> > > > > Arch Auditors and Arch Mutes are charged with the collection
> of
> > > > > important information from all sources, public and private.
> > > > > The Sponsors receive no fees, but whatever is voted to them
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Arch Censors, they may accept.
> > > > > (17) The Arch Arbiter is the highest judicial functionary,
> and
> > > is
> > > > > known only by his name within the Perfect Circle, but has no
> > > active
> > > > > part or responsibility in the Order, and is superseded
> > > periodically.
> > > > > (18) In each case when a superior is addressed, he must be
> > > protected
> > > > > by his inferior against the expenses of a correspondence
> which
> > > must
> > > > > necessarily be of vast extent, and which would be oppressive
> to
> > > the
> > > > > superior.
> > > > > (19) The offices of Arch Emissary, Arch Secretary, Arch
> > > Historian,
> > > > > Arch Treasurer, Arch Auditor and Arch Illuminator are
> tentative,
> > > the
> > > > > first, fourth, and fifth being extra to the Order. Of their
> > > > > patronage, the first is in the gift of the Sponsors, the
> second
> > > and
> > > > > sixth of the first Sponsor, or he who holds the Red Ribbon
> and
> > > Bell
> > > > > of the Order, the third, fourth, and fifth, of the Arch
> Censors.
> > > > > (20) Among the archives of the Order are many fragments of
> > > Oriental
> > > > > antiquity, and these comprise various documents in the
> ancient
> > > > > languages of the East. When required to secure in a printed
> > > form,
> > > > > the Book of Sikha (Apex), and Legend of the Red Ribbon, the
> > > first
> > > > > Sponsor will receive proposals from the Arch Censors with
> that
> > > end
> > > > > in view, one grand object of the Order being to incite to a
> > > study of
> > > > > the great truths contained in early Sanskrit literature.
> > > > > (21) No member of the Order can be superseded or expelled,
> nor
> > > shall
> > > > > he have the power to resign his office (and never his
> > > membership)
> > > > > without the final sanction of the Sponsors, under the advice
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Arch Arbiter, or Hindu referee.
> > > > > (22) The R.O.O. of Sikha and the Sat Bhai is the only system
> of
> > > > > Round or Natural Freemasonry.
> > > > > (23) The signs and passwords of this Order are issued only
> by
> > > the
> > > > > First Sponsor triennially, when they are changed at the
> Vernal
> > > > > Equinox. No S.B. can share in the rites and councils of the
> > > Order
> > > > > who is not in possession of the signs and passwords of the
> > > smaller
> > > > > cycles. But the Illuminated who are in the innermost circle
> are
> > > > > exempt from ordinary rules. An Arch Censor may be
> Illuminated
> > > > > without preliminary perfection or maturity, and only the
> > > Illuminated
> > > > > are eligible to succeed to the death vacancy of a Sponsor.
> > > > > (24) The great Lotus Seal of the Order is common to the
> > > > > Jurisdictions of the Order, but its custodian must be
> elected in
> > > the
> > > > > jurisdiction, and subject to the confirmation of the First
> > > Sponsor.
> > > > > (25) The Code of Sikha (Apex) is the sole law of the R.O.O.,
> and
> > > is
> > > > > immutable. But signs and passwords are tentative for fixed
> > > periods,
> > > > > and bye-laws may be permitted tentatively by Rahu, as
> > > representative
> > > > > of Artiram. Nothing is valid without the personal and usual
> lay
> > > > > signature of the Arch Secretary to verity it.
> > > > > (26) The Third Sponsor, as a rule, dormant, may, by the
> > > proclamation
> > > > > of the First Sponsor, be called into activity and duality
> with
> > > him,
> > > > > whereupon the Second Sponsor becomes for a season or seasons
> > > > > dormant. No Sponsor can be also an Arch Censor, but he may
> > > > > temporarily discharge the latter's functions.
> > > > > (27) The Vernal Equinoxes for changing signs and Passwords
> are
> > > in
> > > > > 1877, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, &c.
> > > > > (28) There are three Seals, viz. -The Great Lotus Seal; the
> Key
> > > Seal
> > > > > of the Arch Secretary; and the First Sponsors Privy Seal;
> There
> > > are
> > > > > also the Arch Censors' segmental Seals.
> > > > > (29) No Ritual can be used which is not stamped with the
> Great
> > > Seal
> > > > > of the Order produced in Ashayana. So also Perfected
> Sadhanams,
> > > > > Marks, and Illuminated Sadhanams are invalid without the
> said
> > > seal
> > > > > and the confirmation of the First Sponsor presiding in
> Ashayana.
> > > The
> > > > > Order holds Ghonslas Ashayanas, and Nidams, to which there
> is no
> > > > > admission without Mandate or Sadhanam. The latter is
> ineffectual
> > > > > unless endorsed by the Arch Secretary in his usual lay
> > > signature.
> > > > > (30) No Sat Bhai can resign, but absolute ignoring of O.B.,
> or
> > > any
> > > > > notoriously gross act of dishonour involves de facto, loss
> of
> > > rank
> > > > > to be signified by the First Sponsor and Arch Secretary.
> > > > > (31) There may be more than one jurisdiction. That of the
> First
> > > > > Sponsor is the paramount. Each may have its own A. Censors,
> &c.;
> > > > > Segments may be exchanged.
> > > > > (32) There are seven Provinces or an Heptarchy in England,
> > > Scotland,
> > > > > and Ireland. Mahanathas rule these by charter under the
> Great
> > > Seal
> > > > > of the Order. The Sponsors form the Court of Appeal of
> these,
> > > but no
> > > > > Sponsor can receive any donative or fee of intrinsic value.
> In
> > > their
> > > > > case gifts must be honorary, such as testimonials on
> parchment.
> > > > > (33) 'The Feathers of the Sat Bhai', Archaeological Tracts
> of
> > > the
> > > > > R.O.O. may be under the editorship of any S.B. duly
> appointed.
> > > > >
> > > > > SYMBOLS, ETC.
> > > > > The symbols, Paroles and countersigns, ancient and modern,
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and of the Sat Bhai of
> > > Pryaya.
> > > > > (1) The Symbols of Sikha (Apex) are:- (1) The Mundane Egg.
> (2).
> > > The
> > > > > Crossed Square within a Perfect circle. (3). The Fruit of
> the
> > > Sacred
> > > > > Lotus. (4). The Harmonic Octave, expressed by its graphic
> > > expression
> > > > > of a double shell. (5) The Anga. (6) A swan. (7) A Bull.
> [plate
> > > 1,
> > > > > figures 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]. The Symbol of the Sat Bhai is Seven
> Grey
> > > > > Feathers, 2,3, and 2
> > > > > (2) The symbols of the Dual Sponsors are - (1).The Crescent
> > > Moon.
> > > > > (2). The Signs of the Ascending and of the descending Node.
> Of
> > > the
> > > > > first Sponsor-- (1). The Rose. (2) The Kamalata. (3) An
> Arrow.
> > > Of
> > > > > the Second Sponsor--(1). An Unicorn's Horn. (2) The
> Amaranth. Of
> > > the
> > > > > Dormant Sponsor--The Sun in eclipse.
> > > > > The parole or pass-word to the Sponsors is ......... ; the
> sign,
> > > > > touching the......... of the .........
> > > > > (3) The Arch Censors are in the third yug symbolised by a
> Boar
> > > > > avatar (plate 1, figure 18]. Their distinctive symbols are
> three
> > > > > each:-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Indra I A Thunderbolt 2 A Lamp 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Ganesha 1 An EIephant 2 A Conch 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Agni 1 A Flame 2 A Lotus 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Surya 1 A Wheel 2 Sunflower 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Kartikeya 1 A Peacock 2 A Sword 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. Kama 1 A Parrot 2 A Bent Bow 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. Daksha 1 A Dexter Hand 2 An Ear of Wheat
> > > > > 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > The pass-word to the Arch Censors is......... ; the sign,
> > > touching
> > > > > the......... of the right .........
> > > > > (4) The Arch Couriers are in the fourth yug, of which the
> symbol
> > > is
> > > > > a lion-headed man. They have one distinctive symbol each
> placed
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's first symbol. The
> password to
> > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the.........
> with
> > > > > the......... forefinger.
> > > > > (5) The Arch Ministers are in the fifth yug, symbolised by
> two
> > > > > interlaced triangles. They have one distinctive symbol each,
> > > placed
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's second symbol. The
> password
> > > to
> > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching the......... of
> > > > > the.........
> > > > > (6) The Arch Heralds are in the sixth yug, for which the
> symbol
> > > is
> > > > > an antique crown. They have one distinctive symbol each,
> placed
> > > > > under their respective A. Censor's third symbol. The
> password to
> > > > > this grade is......... the sign, the palms.........
> > > > > (7) The Arch Scribes are in the seventh yug. There are no
> > > symbols in
> > > > > this grade, but the A. Ss. have distinctive numbers in the
> > > Nagara
> > > > > character. Pass-word.......... No sign.
> > > > > (8) The Arch Auditors are in the eighth yug. They have each
> a
> > > > > Devanagri letter before their names, under the Minister's
> > > symbol. No
> > > > > password. No sign.
> > > > > (9) The Arch Mutes are in the ninth yug: They have each a
> letter
> > > in
> > > > > the Devanagri character before their names and under the
> > > Herald's
> > > > > symbol. No pass-word. No sign.
> > > > > Nomenclature of the Arch Grades, under the Lord of the
> Perfect
> > > Zone,
> > > > > 360 °:-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Sponsor.............. Rahu
> > > > > 2 Sponsor.............. Ketu
> > > > > 3 Kamadyam......... [Dormant]
> > > > > 1 Arch Censor Indra 1 Arch Minister
> > > > > Dhanus
> > > > > 2 " " Ganesha 2 " "
> > > > > Mesha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 " " Agni 3 " "
> > > > > Vrisha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4 " " Surya 4 " " Simha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5 " " Kartikeya 5 " "
> > > > > Makara
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 " " Kama 6 " " Kumba
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 7 " " Daksha 7 " "
> > > > > Karkata
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Arch Courier Kuvera 1 Arch Herald
> > > > > Sanjaya
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2 " " Vira Badra 2 " "
> > > > > Heri
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 " " Bhairava 3 " "
> > > > > Rama
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4 " " Varuna 4 " "
> > > > > Nareda
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5 " " Yama 5 " "
> > > > > Agastya
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 " " Garuda 6 " " Hotri
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 7 " " Aruna 7 " "
> > > > > Petri
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Arch Scribe Pravaha 1 Arch Auditor Rad
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2 " " Avaha 2 " " Tara
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 " " Udraha 3 " "
> > > > > Nadiyan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 4 " " Samkaha 4 " "
> > > > > Ankhen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5 " " Vivaha 5 " " Kan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 " " Parivaha 6 " "
> > > > > Udaka
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 7 " " Nivaha 7 " " Vayu
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 Arch Mute Kalga fem. Narangi
> > > > > 2 " " Pipat " Angur
> > > > > 3 " " Bat " Zaitun
> > > > > 4 " " Champa " Seb
> > > > > 5 " " Tulasi " Angir
> > > > > 6 " " Singarhar " Badan
> > > > > 7 " " Soma " Anar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (10) Oriental garments being disused, except the Grey Choga
> and
> > > Cap,
> > > > > the only mark of membership is a red silk cord of three
> strands,
> > > > > round the neck.
> > > > > The general pass-word is......... The colours of the Order
> are
> > > Red,
> > > > > Blue, White; those of Sponsors, Red, Blue, Yellow; and of
> > > Segments,
> > > > > the Prismatic.
> > > > > MONETARY REGULATIONS
> > > > > Under the supervision of the Arch Censors, Arch Treasurer,
> and
> > > Arch
> > > > > Scribes, and extra to the Order.
> > > > > (1) A reserve fund for charity, and the use of the
> intelligence
> > > > > department, is to be formed.
> > > > > (2) The Sponsors having renounced all Claim on the funds of
> the
> > > > > Order, they may accept donations as offerings to Sikha
> (Apex)
> > > > > without injury to the spiritual element, if voluntarily, and
> > > > > unconditionally made by the Arch Censors.
> > > > > (3) The Arch Censors and their subordinates are entitled to
> > > > > remuneration for actual work done. The Arch Censors'
> regulations
> > > > > must be accepted, if promulgated by the Seven in Congress,
> and
> > > > > unanimous.
> > > > > 4) The Arch Secretary is entitled to recompense for time and
> > > outlay.
> > > > > (5) The Arch Illuminator is entitled to recompense for time
> and
> > > > > outlay, in preparing charters or commissions, &c. His
> charges
> > > have
> > > > > been allowed. For a parchment charter, if required
> illuminated,
> > > one
> > > > > guinea; for a prescript or mandate, two shillings and
> sixpence;
> > > and
> > > > > for symbols of Sponsors and Censors, each one shilling.
> > > > > (6) The Arch Treasurer is entitled to a percentage on the
> funds,
> > > the
> > > > > same to be fixed by the Arch Censors in Congress.
> > > > > (7) The other Arch Officers receive remuneration according
> to
> > > duties
> > > > > performed, or expenses incurred.
> > > > > (8) The first Occidental Arch Censors, under the
> dispensation of
> > > the
> > > > > Lord of the Perfect Zone, have entered the Circle free; but
> > > their
> > > > > successors, and those of the grades under their
> jurisdiction,
> > > are
> > > > > required to pay the following fees to the Arch Treasurer for
> the
> > > > > Arch Censors:-
> > > > > £ s. d. £ s. d.
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Mute " " A. Auditor " "
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Scribe " " A. Herald "
> > > > > "
> > > > > A. Minister " " A. Courier "
> > > > > "
> > > > > A. Censor £ " "
> > > > > These fees may be regulated from time to time.
> > > > > To obviate the inconvenience of disclosing the titles of the
> > > Order
> > > > > to the outer world, the postal address will be 'Secretary
> (or
> > > other)
> > > > > of the Royal Oriental S. B. Order.'
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl, Tillett, Friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai, and this,
> as
> > > > > early as 1877.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that a
> homage
> > > was
> > > > > made to her.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma from "Adoption
> > > Masonry",
> > > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Honorary titles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed this
> > > > > possibility, and
> > > > > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the vital
> element
> > > of
> > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were
> objections
> > > from
> > > > > Indian
> > > > > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned.
> However,
> > > both
> > > > > HPB and
> > > > > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat B'hai, on
> > > August 9,
> > > > > 1877.
> > > > > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level one,
> Arch
> > > > > Auditor; the
> > > > > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like the
> fifth
> > > and
> > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women. HSO was
> made
> > > a
> > > > > member of
> > > > > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier; the name
> of
> > > this
> > > > > degree was
> > > > > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons (as was
> the
> > > first
> > > > > degree).
> > > > > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest, and the
> > > seventh
> > > > > the lowest.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat
> B'hai
> > > seems
> > > > > to have
> > > > > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James Henry
> > > Lawrence
> > > > > Archer of
> > > > > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the Order was
> > > largely
> > > > > of the work
> > > > > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86), author
> of
> > > > > the "Royal
> > > > > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the TS. The
> > > first
> > > > > public
> > > > > > > statements about the Order appeared in correspondence
> > > in "The
> > > > > Freemason"
> > > > > > > in early 1871, however although great claims were made
> for
> > > its
> > > > > antiquity
> > > > > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts to
> establish
> > > it
> > > > > as a
> > > > > > > working organization, it does not seem to have moved
> much
> > > beyond
> > > > > being a
> > > > > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded that the
> > > Order
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within the TS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in Sat
> B'hai
> > > comes
> > > > > from the
> > > > > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I believe, still
> are)
> > > in
> > > > > the Yarker
> > > > > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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