Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00289)

Friends,


Chuck says: 


"Personally I find ritual to be on a scale running from boring to repulsive. I object to Leadbeater not so much because of his behavior because that is 
long past and nothing can be done about it so much as that is ideas are just 
plain nuts." (see below)

As to the 'nuts' ideas planted by CWL in the movement, there are, as I see, at least two kinds of them.

One is -- the crazy ideas already quietly recognized as such in Adyar and now 'erased' from Leadbeater's re-edited books;  and in some cases whole 'crazy books' have been entirely abandoned, like "The Lives of Alcyone" or "Man Whence and Whither" (co-authored by A. Besant). 

The other kind of 'crazy ideas' include those absurdities which have not been recognized as such by Adyar people.  These include Leadbeater's ritualistic proposals involving "Christ" and "The Kind of the World" , "St. Germain", etc.

Rather than 'crazy', I would call this second group 'illusory' or mayavic. 

Incidentally, the Leadbeaterian & ritualistic expression "The King of the World" reminds me of that excellent but sad film -- "TITANIC". 

Carlos. 


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Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:10:14 EST

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Rites and Theosophy

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> In a message dated 11/4/2006 8:12:39 AM Central Standard Time, 
> carlosaveline@terra.com.br writes:
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> The theosophical movement is not ritualistic and this is for strong reasons. 
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> No, nor should it be. But there are individual Theosophists who, for 
> whatever reason known only to the Lords of Karma, are drawn to ritual practice and 
> thus it would be inevitable that the two would get mixed in some why. And if 
> those people find some comfort or purpose in that there is no reason to deny 
> them.
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> Personally I find ritual to be on a scale running from boring to repulsive. 
> I object to Leadbeater not so much because of his behavior because that is 
> long past and nothing can be done about it so much as that is ideas are just 
> plain nuts. But I cannot find in my heart to condemn those who do like it and 
> find meaning in what to me seems to be utter nonsense though I certainly 
> have had fun at their expense.
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> I don't think that there is any question that if HPB had lived longer she 
> would have sat on Leadbeater. I'm sure she would have sat on me but I run real 
> fast and no doubt had I lived in her day and been another wordy Victorian 
> (and how they could write those volumes by hand with a steel pen is a mystery 
> that I hope to never have a reason to solve) she and I would have had a 
> literary duel that you folks would still be arguing about. 
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> But in the end Theosophy is about tolerating our differences and disagreeing 
> without condemnation. 
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> The First Object does not contain a clause saying, "except for those who 
> study things we do not thing are conducive to the purity of the cause." 
> Otherwise we might as well abandon the project and put towels on our heads and go 
> out and blow up the unbelievers like everyone else in the world seems bent on 
> doing.
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> Chuck the Heretic
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