Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00232)

Carl,

Thanks. 


My points are, basically:

1) HPB did not create a movement which was ritualistic in any of its instances. It was based on free thinking and individual, inner search, not in the distribution of "degrees" etc for ceremonialism, whose terrible perils she painstakingly  described and warned against in several texts and articles (BCW). 


2) She wrote long enough describing the specific infiltration of Masonry by 'padris' and Jesuits, secret agents of  the Vatican who, by the way, created the "higher degrees" of Masonry (princes and the like).

3) HPB did have some stronger links with Masonic groups, however, in the first years of the theosophical movement, while in its childhood, in the USA, previous to W. Judge getting things really working in the USA in the 1880s.

I hope this can be understood. 

The theosophical movement is not ritualistic and this is for strong reasons. 


Regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:22:24 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: HPB's Letter

> Carlos,
> Please, read my previous long posting.
> 
> What do you mean with this: "You know she did think about Masonry 
> before leaving the USA for India, that is, before the theosophical 
> proposal got really serious, so to say."
> 
> I can't see the point. 
> 
> Carl
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> > 
> > Where is the original of this letter, and in which language, 
> please?
> > 
> > What is its date? 
> > 
> > You know she did think about Masonry before leaving the USA for 
> India, that is, before the theosophical proposal got really serious, 
> so to say.
> > 
> > The work in the USA would come again to life with W. Judge, lçater 
> on in the 1880s. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:32:59 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: The Royal Order of Sikha...
> > 
> > > John
> > > I haven't looked for this letter on the Internet, but I will 
> now. 
> > > 
> > > January 25th, 1878, Kenneth Mackenzie wroth to Francis Irwin, a 
> > > fellow member of the Order and a fellow theosophist; "I have 
> heard 
> > > that Madam Blavatsky is the Head of the Order!"
> > > 
> > > January 2, 1879, Blavatsky wroth the first time (know to me, and 
> I 
> > > have never seen anything earlier then this) to Yarker concerning 
> > > this order. In the letter were three subjects, concerning this 
> > > order. Sorry but I have this letter partly only in German. I can 
> > > translate it back into English, but I think we could fine the 
> letter 
> > > somewhere (translations always lose something, so it is not 
> good, 
> > > maybe Tillett have copied it from Yarker's archive?). The letter 
> > > hade tree mane points. 1. The ritual of the Order (Blavatsky, 
> asked 
> > > Yarker to complete them, seven unfinished rituals was talk 
> about). 
> > > 2. Perfection, on other words, in Inner Part if the Vedas and 3. 
> The 
> > > organisation of the Order.
> > > 
> > > See: R.A. Gilbert "Revelations of the Golden Dawn" `97 pp 5-6, 
> and 
> > > Ellic Howe "Free Masonry in England". (I'll give more references 
> > > later) 
> > > 
> > > It looks like Olcott's "Aryan League of Honour" could hade have 
> > > something to do with the Sat Bhai, but I have to look it up. 
> > > 
> > > More later.
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > Thanks for the most interesting informative series of posts 
> > > here in quite 
> > > > a while I am sure many here are reading all you present with 
> happy 
> > > feelings. 
> > > > Much of your content I have never seen here before or read 
> > > elsewhere it is a 
> > > > valuable service to all of us.
> > > > 
> > > > >> There is a letter from HPB to Yarker from early 1880's were 
> > > she 
> > > > tells him to open a lodge in London of this order, <<
> > > > 
> > > > May I ask is the letter above in any of the already published 
> > > compilations 
> > > > of H.P.B. Letters or Online? Also in regard to "The Royal 
> Order of 
> > > Sikha and 
> > > > Sat Bhai" where and what documentation did you have that 
> directly 
> > > informed you 
> > > > of this Group? Where were they resident at? Who was the 
> Officiator 
> > > of the 
> > > > Charter you believe was communicated to Blavatsky? Was there a 
> > > name to the Lodge 
> > > > in Prague and who Officiated there? Was a Lodge actually 
> brought 
> > > into 
> > > > functional existence in London and what persons Officiated it?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you again I find your posts highly stimulating and see 
> > > you have a 
> > > > very considerable personal effort and valued Historical views 
> to 
> > > lend to our 
> > > > eyes and minds.
> > > > 
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > 
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