Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00220)

Bill,

Anyone is limited by his own viewpoint, you are included in that too.

All of us are. 

Regards,  Carlos. 

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Data:Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:46:59 -0500

Assunto:Theos-World Can one go beyond questioning whether or not another can go beyond the dead letter?

> Daniel, there is also a sense in which the statement "words cannot 
> convey a meaning to one who is not prepared for them, or to one who does 
> not want to understand the meaning" can be used to explain why Carlos 
> apparently cannot understand you. 
> 
> It could also be said "putting things before people when they are not 
> prepared to understand
> them, and not even committed to seriously try to understand them, is
> not necessarily stimulating an expansion of consciousness" is similar to 
> putting the Movement ahead and to the right of Theosophy. That also 
> does not stimulate an expansion of consciousness.
> 
> It is possible that the evolutionary pendulum of humankind is shifting 
> from the arc of the descent to the arc of the ascent and we are now 
> beyond the veil of secret societies and hidden organizations by any 
> name. Such a shift will require great courage on the part of some 
> individuals as they relinquish their strangle-hold on truth and do what 
> must be done to allow the light to shine equally for everyone. 
> Perestroika comes to mind in this regard.
> 
> peace within,
> ---bill
> 
> 
> danielhcaldwell wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > You write to me:
> >
> > =====================================================
> > Words cannot convey a meaning to one who is not prepared for them, or
> > to one who does not want to understand the meaning.
> >
> > Putting things before people when they are not prepared to understand
> > them, and not even committed to seriously try to understand them, is
> > not necessarily stimulating an expansion of consciousness.
> >
> > Superficial curiosity will not do.
> >
> > ......................
> >
> > What the esoteric tradition aims at -- and it has done so for many
> > thousands of years -- is to keep things to people who can understand
> > them, who will try hard to understand and to live them, and this,
> > together with a method for understanding these things in their hearts.
> >
> > In what sense you have ever read HPB, or her "Esoteric Papers" -- if
> > you did not understand even this most basic of principles for the
> > Esoteric Philosophy?
> >
> > Can you go beyond the dead letter?
> > ===========================================================
> >
> > Whether I can go beyond the dead letter or not is not really the
> > issue here. First of all, I doubt that anyone on Theos-Talk (other
> > than you?) really cares! :)
> >
> > If you can go or think you can go beyond the dead letter, that is
> > fine and you are to be congratulated for so doing....
> >
> > OBTW, do you approve of Boris de Zirkoff reprinting the ES
> > Instructions in Volume 12 of THE COLLECTED WRITINGS.
> >
> > Or was he ALSO guilty of:
> >
> > "Putting things before people when they are not prepared to
> > understand them, and not even committed to seriously try to
> > understand them, is not necessarily stimulating an expansion of
> > consciousness." ?????
> >
> > Remember ANYONE can buy Volume 12 of the CW on the world wide web
> > like at Amazon.com. That is, anyone who has the money to buy the
> > volume....
> >
> > I published THE ESOTERIC PAPERS OF MADAME BLAVATSKY because I was
> > fortunate enough to have access to (1) MORE COMPLETE editions of some
> > of HPB's ES Instructions than BdZ apparently had; (2) I also had a
> > complete transcription of HPB's INNER GROUP TEACHINGS which
> > apparently BdZ did not have; (3) I had access to miscellaneous
> > esoteric documents which BdZ didn't include; and (4) I included
> > relevant excerpts from various letters of Blavatsky in which she
> > mentions her work in the Esoteric Section. These letters were
> > scattered all over the place.
> >
> > See table of contents of the book at:
> >
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/esopapcontents.pdf 
> > 
> >
> > Since I had already compiled all of this material and even sent
> > copies to John Cooper, Dallas TenBroeck and several other
> > Theosophical workers, I finally thought other students around the
> > world would find this material also helpful.
> >
> > I even had Jerome Wheeler write me once saying he looked at/used some
> > of the material in my compilation.
> >
> > So I had the volume published by Kessinger.
> >
> > See: http://esotericpapers.net 
> >
> > As to the online versions of SOME of HPB's papers on my website
> > >, 
> > you may object to this version but
> > would you object to an online version of Volume 12 like the one that
> > Ton put up on the web just a week or two ago?
> >
> > Webpages are just a different "medium" than the printed page (books)
> > and fortunately there is not alot of cost involved in maintaining
> > webpages as in publishing and maintaining a stock of unsold books.
> > And students in many countries of the world who don't have alot of
> > money can read and study the material for free...on the web.....
> >
> > If you or any other reader wants to know more about why I published
> > this material either in the above book or on the web, please read
> > what I wrote some time ago at:
> >
> > The Publication of HPB's Esoteric Papers
> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/moreonhpbesotericpapers.htm 
> > 
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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