Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00135)

Friends,

Unlike Caldwell's wishes,  Jesus said something very profound, according to the NT, as he said that he used parables for the masses, but revealed the mystery of things only for the ones who had a commitment and a responsibility towards sacred truths.

So say the Masters, so says HPB -- to the dismay of the friends of the Coulombs and followers of Vsevolod Soloviof, among whom I am sure Daniel Caldwell is not any longer.  Thanks to his higher self. 


Regards,   Carlos. 

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Assunto:Theos-World Tillett on: ULT claims and counterclaims

> Thank you Gregory for your sensible posting below which sets out in 
> simple terms the basic issues and questions.
> 
> I could be wrong but it appears to me that Carlos Aveline
> doesn't want straightforward answers that might elucidate these 
> issues. This is just like a number of ardent Leadbeater students I 
> have meet and corresponded with who prefer to keep certain things in 
> the dark and the shadows [of what they would regard as the esoteric 
> world]. And no doubt Carlos as well as those Leadbeater students 
> think they have good reasons for holding such views.
> 
> Daniel 
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> Gregory wrote:
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> All the drama about the ULT, the DES, claims and counterclaims 
> (including Carlos' claims of lack of evidence) can be simply dealt 
> with.
> 
> Someone from within the ULTand/or DES can simply, clearly and
> unequivocally answer the following questions:
> 
> (1) did Crosbie claim authority from HPB, the Masters or any other 
> being (Being?) for the establishment of the ULT or the DES? If so, 
> from whom (Whom?) and on the basis of what evidence?
> (2) did Crosbie claim communication with HPB and/or the Masters? If 
> so, on the basis of what evidence?
> (3) does a DES, associated with the ULT or some or any of its members,
> exist? Does it claim to be a successor of or to possess any continuity
> with or authority from HPB's ES? If so, on the basis of what authority
> does it make this claim?
> (4) will the ULT make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
> field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
> (5) will the DES make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
> field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
> (6) if any claims relating to the DES on theos-talk are incomplete,
> inaccurate or misleading, will the DES correct them? If not, why not?
> (7) who is the current head of the DES to whom questions can be 
> directed?
> 
> It seems to me that these questions require short, honest, 
> straightforward answers (some of them "yes" or "no") rather than 
> pages of apologetic text.
> 
> I might note that I put equivalent questions to the Adyar TS/ES and
> received answers. I might further note that the answer to (4) was yes 
> (I had access), to (5) was no - because they are confidential and to 
> (7) was Radha Burnier (who declined to answer questions!).
> 
> I might further suggest that if the ULT/DES declines to answer the
> questions, they might answer a further question: why won't you answer
> these questions?
> 
> Dr Gregory Tillett
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