Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00133)

Thank you Gregory for your sensible posting below which sets out in 
simple terms the basic issues and questions.

I could be wrong but it appears to me that Carlos Aveline
doesn't want straightforward answers that might elucidate these 
issues.  This is just like a number of ardent Leadbeater students I 
have meet and corresponded with who prefer to keep certain things in 
the dark and the shadows [of what they would regard as the esoteric 
world].  And no doubt Carlos as well as those Leadbeater students 
think they have good reasons for holding such views.

Daniel 

Gregory wrote:

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All the drama about the ULT, the DES, claims and counterclaims 
(including Carlos' claims of lack of evidence) can be simply dealt 
with.

Someone from within the ULTand/or DES can simply, clearly and
unequivocally answer the following questions:

(1) did Crosbie claim authority from HPB, the Masters or any other 
being (Being?) for the establishment of the ULT or the DES? If so, 
from whom (Whom?) and on the basis of what evidence?
(2) did Crosbie claim communication with HPB and/or the Masters? If 
so, on the basis of what evidence?
(3) does a DES, associated with the ULT or some or any of its members,
exist? Does it claim to be a successor of or to possess any continuity
with or authority from HPB's ES? If so, on the basis of what authority
does it make this claim?
(4) will the ULT make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
(5) will the DES make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
(6) if any claims relating to the DES on theos-talk are incomplete,
inaccurate or misleading, will the DES correct them? If not, why not?
(7) who is the current head of the DES to whom questions can be 
directed?

It seems to me that these questions require short, honest, 
straightforward answers (some of them "yes" or "no") rather than 
pages of apologetic text.

I might note that I put equivalent questions to the Adyar TS/ES and
received answers. I might further note that the answer to (4) was yes 
(I had access), to (5) was no - because they are confidential and to 
(7) was Radha Burnier (who declined to answer questions!).

I might further suggest that if the ULT/DES declines to answer the
questions, they might answer a further question: why won't you answer
these questions?

Dr Gregory Tillett