Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00101)

To Carl (& maybe Carlos)---  
Robert Crosbie Acting UNDER THE DIRECTION of a Master??
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In 1887, H.P. Blavatsky wrote to Countess Constance Wachtmeister the 
following:

"After a long conversation with Master....either I have to return to 
India to die . . . or I have to form ... a nucleus of true 
Theosophists, a school of my own ... with as many mystics as I can 
get to teach them...."

Later in Sept. 1888 in a letter to John Ransom Bridge, HPB wrote:

"...I am organizing...a special centre ... of exclusively occult 
students, willing to accept...the teachings of which I am the channel 
and which I cannot impart except to pledged members...."

In the "Preliminary Memorandum" issued in Dec. 1888, one finds the 
following: 

"The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H.P. 
Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. He is one of those 
Adepts referred to in theosophical literature, and concerned in the 
formation of the Theosophical Society. It is through H.P. Blavatsky 
that each member of this section will be brought more closely than 
hitherto under His influence and care if found worthy of it." 
Quoted from:  http://www.katinkahesselink.net/esinstr.htm#prelim1

>From the above, one sees that H.P. Blavatsky formed the Esoteric 
Section AT THE DIRECTION of the Master.  And the Master was the REAL 
Head of the Section and H.P. Blavatsky was the MOUTHPIECE of this 
Master for the Section.

Now consider what the historian Gregory Tillett has written about 
Robert Crosbie and the Dzyan Esoteric School:

"Within the ULT a separate ES, claiming continuity with that of HPB, 
was established in 1909 with the title 'Dzyan Esoteric School', which 
it claimed was the proper title of the Second [Esoteric] Section of 
the Theosophical Society."

Dr. Tillett also wrote:

"The first DES group was established in Los Angeles by Robert Crosbie 
in November 1909...."

Quoted from:
"DES", http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36730
Posted on Theos-Talk, Tues Oct 31, 2006, 1:19 pm

Notice that Dr. Tillett writes that the DES claimed CONTINUITY with 
the ES of HPB.

Now ponder this:

If H.P. Blavatsky formed the Esoteric Section in 1888 UNDER THE 
DIRECTION of her Master, then under WHOSE DIRECTION did Robert 
Crosbie form in 1909 the Dzyan Esoteric School?

And was there a Master who was actually the real Head of the Dzyan 
Esoteric School?

And if H.P. Blavatsky was the MOUTHPIECE of her Master for the 
Esoteric Section, was Robert Crosbie the "mouthpiece" of a Master for 
the Dzyan Esoteric School?

These questions seem very relevant and appropriate to ask in light of 
what H.P. Blavatsky wrote and especially since Robert Crosbie himself 
wrote:

"If, then, the true Theosophical Movement, and THE TRUE CHELAS of the 
School of the Masters are NOT to be found among those [persons, for 
example, Mrs. Besant and Mrs. Tingley] who have lost the point of 
contact with the Masters, while yet loudly proclaiming themselves 
Initiates and Outer and Inner Heads of this, that, and the other 
theosophical society and esoteric section, WHERE MAY THEY [ ... THE 
TRUE CHELAS ...] BE DISCERNED? . . ." Theosophy, March 1915.  caps  
added.

". . . The various theosophical societies and esoteric sections OF 
THE DAY are in no sense representative of the School of the Masters 
or the Theosophical Movement. . . The Anciently universal Wisdom- 
Religion, the School of the Masters and the Theosophical Movement are 
in unbroken continuity of existence to-day as always. . . ."

"NOW, as always, they have THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND AGENTS AMONG 
MEN, who cannot be found out by any but those who have earned the 
right to know them. . . ." Theosophy, February 1915. caps added.

Since Crosbie founded this secret Dzyan Esoteric School, was he 
himself a "true chela", a "representative" and "agent"  of the 
Masters among men?  

Especially since he had in so many words stated that Mrs. Besant, 
Mrs. Tingley, etc had "lost the point of contact with the Masters".  

So was he NOW "the point of contact with the Masters"?

Also keep in mind that at his death, THEOSOPHY magazine proclaimed in 
no uncertain terms:

"Robert Crosbie preserved unbroken the link of the Second [Esoteric] 
Section of the Theosophical Movement from the passing of Mr. Judge in 
1896, and in 1907 - just eleven years later - made that link once 
more Four Square amongst men. In the year 1909 the Third Section was 
restored by the formation of the United Lodge of Theosophists ...."

"...There is always one Witness on the scene. After the death of Mr. 
Judge, Robert Crosbie kept the link unbroken."  Theosophy magazine, 
August, 1919.

Crosbie believed Judge was the agent and representative of the 
Masters when he was still alive.  So if indeed Crosbie kept the 
[esoteric?] link unbroken after Mr. Judge's death, was Crosbie 
really the "one Witness"?  And what exactly does that term mean?

one Witness = true Chela = Representative = Agent of the Masters  ????

Daniel
http://hpb.cc