Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00080)

Daniel,

Charles Leadbeater and his "work" is out of my vision of theosophical movement.

And this is for a cause. 

* I don't think a confessed pedophile expelled from the Adyar TS by H.S. Olcott with worldwide support in 1906 (exactly 100 years ago), can be called a real theosophist;  

* I do not think that a Messianic "Liberal" Catholic Church, or the Adyar- controlled Co-Masonic Order, or the clandestine Egyptian Rite  (unknown to all Adyar ES members, even to its third degree pledged members)  can be considered "theosophical"; yet these three organizations have influence over Adyar TS and ES; 

* Having said that, I consider vast parts and many members of the Adyar TS and Adyar ES as real and honest theosophists in spite of ther limitations of Adyar movement. 

I do not think that the movement's limits are defined by affiliation to this or that organization.

My position and my views are clear. 

My language is not that of inuendos, although I can be ironical at times with people whom I do not consider candid. 


In time: I wonder what are the causes -- ritualistic perhaps? or editorial? what else? -- why you protect Leadbeater and the bureaucratic centralized, ritualistic  giant that is the Adyar TS, and prefer "criticizing" the small, non-centralized and  non-bureaucratic ULT, whose work, not perfect of course, is basically healthy and sane, for sure. 

Do such sincere] & quiet workers irritate you or your boss in the "HPB Letters Puppett Committee", Dr. & Bishop John Algeo?? 

:) 

As to you, you don't even say you are a theosophist, do you? 

Regards,   Carlos. 







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Assunto:Theos-World Carlos Sowing Dissent Also???

> In regards to Carlos' posting at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36814
> 
> I will say the following:
> 
> Although I have serious reservations and doubts about many of the
> claims put forward after Madame Blavatsky's death, I certainly have
> never tried to "discredit the movement as a whole."
> 
> I certainly am glad that the Theosophical Movement has survived
> (more or less) over the last 100 years and has been available as an
> alternative to, for example, scientific materialism, orthodox forms
> of Christianity, etc., etc.
> 
> But as concerns Carlos' own claim that I am "sowing gossip"
> and/or "sowing dissent", what pray tell is Carlos doing, for example,
> when he writes in strongly negative terms about Mr. Leadbeater on
> this forum. 
> 
> Could it not be said that he ALSO is "sowing gossip"
> and "sowing dissent"? A number of Leadbeater students certainly
> have expressed that opinion concerning what he has written.
> 
> Or in material issued by the editors of Theosophy Magazine, one
> might ask:
> 
> Have they ALSO sowed gossip and sowed dissent?
> 
> For example, look at the material recommended previously on Theos-Talk
> by "Compiler".
> 
> Take the following articles about G. de Purucker found in the pages
> of THEOSOPHY magazine:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/buj4e
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/9vk7b
> 
> Or look at the material written by these same editors of Theosophy
> Magazine on Mrs. Tingley:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokes/stokestm7525.htm
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/gkl9b
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokes/stokestm1951.htm
> 
> Is it so unreasonable to conclude that these article might also be
> included under what Carlos chooses to call:
> 
> Sowing Dissent ??????????????
> 
> Does Carlos in effect have a DOUBLE STANDARD?
> 
> Is he saying it is ok for him as well as the editors of Theosophy
> magazine to make highly critical statements about various
> Theosophical leaders but no one else (including me) can do so???
> 
> Is it unreasonable to conclude that the 1951 edition of THE
> THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT still sold by the Theosophy Company, is but an
> ongoing attempt to "sow" gossips...to "sow" dissent?
> 
> Some food for thought....
> 
> I am under no delusion or illusion that Carlos might have a change
> of heart and actually try to engage in a cool, calm and thoughtful
> discussion of these issues.
> 
> But I write for other interested readers.
> 
> Daniel
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