Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00058)

 Gregory,
 
 I see no problem with having things in the attic, as long as your attic is not 'quoted' as the bibliographical source of Daniel's strange ideas about the theosophical movement! :) 
 
 Any better source than that? 
 
 In your commentaries below, you admit that your 'sources' are completely limited to rumours coming from non-ULT friends. So what? 
 
 As you know, this is not scientific. Rumour involving power struglle and coming from adversaries cannot be reasonbely accepted. I don't see your style and priority have been sowing dissent. 
 
There are all kinds of 'rumours', but, being a researcher, and having not researched the ULT too much, I congratulate you for your absence of any firm position along those Caldwellish lines. 

If you do not have sources, this is a fact to be acknowledged. 

Not having sources and information  is human, and blaming those who keep private information private will not help researchers... 

  
 Best regards, Carlos. 
 
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 > Carlos appears to have a problem with the idea of archival material being
 > stored in an attic ? and for more than five years! Contributions to buying
 > a mansion with sufficient space to keep all my Theosophical material in a
 > readily accessible manner will be gratefully received! At present, I only
 > keep material relevant to current research in an accessible location ? and
 > I have no particular research interest in Crosbie, the ULT, etc.
 > The comment of mine quoted by Daniel is genuine. When I was ndertaking
> > research on Leadbeater in California I met with a number of peple who had  been at Point Loma when Crosbie departed. For some reason, the ?real
 > reasons? for his departure seem to have been regarded as a deep secret,
 > but I was eventually told his departure related to his claims of contact
 > with HPB and the Masters. Obviously I have no way of knowing whether this
 > was true, but it would explain an otherwise unexplained action. Certainly
 > the DES material I have, or have seen, implies an authority for the DES
 > which is not based on any historical succession. No doubt all could be
 > explained if the ULT?s archives were accessible.
 > My limited contact with the ULT has been entirely pleasant. My criticism
 > of ULT relates to the manifestly bogus claim that it is somehow an
 > organization without authorities or leaders, and its strange habit of not
 > identifying the authors (other than HPB, WQJ, et al) of its publications.
 > For example, neither the ULT as such nor all its Assoiates wrote ?The
 > Thosophical Movement?! The book had an author or authors ? so why aren?t
 > they identified? This, by the way, is a technique also adopted by the
 > Jehovah?s Witnesses. There are obviously leaders and authorities in the
 > ULT ? it?s just that (unlike Adyar or Pasadena) their identities are not
 > disclosed. When I sought to do research at the ULT library in London,
 > ?permission? had to be obtained. From whom? If I want to access the ULT
 > archives (which presumably exist somewhere and under the control of
 > someone), to whom do I apply? If I write to the ULT someone will reply,
 > although the letter may be ?signed? with ?The United Lodge of
 > Theosophists?. Someone decides who may and may not speak at ULT meetings.
> Someone legally owns ULT assets and edits its journals. How and by whom
> > are those actually in charge appointed?
> > As I previously wrote to Daniel, unknown and unknowable sources of
> > authority exercise greater power because they are effectively
> > unchallengeable.
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