Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00055)

Gregory,

I see no problem with having things in the attic,  as long as your attic is not 'quoted' as the bibliographical source of Daniel's strange ideas about the theosophical movement!   :) 

Any better source than that? 

In your commentaries below, you admit that your 'sources'  are completely limited to rumours coming from non-ULT friends. So what? 

As you know, this is not scientific.  Rumour involving power struglle and coming from adversaries cannot be reasonbely accepted. I don't see your style and priority have been sowing dissent. 

There are all kinds of 'rumours', but, being a researcher, and having not researched the ULT too much,  I congratulate you for your absence of any firm position along those Caldwellish  lines. 



Best regards,   Carlos. 


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Assunto:Theos-World ULT in The attic

> Carlos appears to have a problem with the idea of archival material being
> stored in an attic ? and for more than five years! Contributions to buying
> a mansion with sufficient space to keep all my Theosophical material in a
> readily accessible manner will be gratefully received! At present, I only
> keep material relevant to current research in an accessible location ? and
> I have no particular research interest in Crosbie, the ULT, etc.
> The comment of mine quoted by Daniel is genuine. When I was undertaking
> research on Leadbeater in California I met with a number of people who had
> been at Point Loma when Crosbie departed. For some reason, the ?real
> reasons? for his departure seem to have been regarded as a deep secret,
> but I was eventually told his departure related to his claims of contact
> with HPB and the Masters. Obviously I have no way of knowing whether this
> was true, but it would explain an otherwise unexplained action. Certainly
> the DES material I have, or have seen, implies an authority for the DES
> which is not based on any historical succession. No doubt all could be
> explained if the ULT?s archives were accessible.
> My limited contact with the ULT has been entirely pleasant. My criticism
> of ULT relates to the manifestly bogus claim that it is somehow an
> organization without authorities or leaders, and its strange habit of not
> identifying the authors (other than HPB, WQJ, et al) of its publications.
> For example, neither the ULT as such nor all its Assoiates wrote ?The
> Thosophical Movement?! The book had an author or authors ? so why aren?t
> they identified? This, by the way, is a technique also adopted by the
> Jehovah?s Witnesses. There are obviously leaders and authorities in the
> ULT ? it?s just that (unlike Adyar or Pasadena) their identities are not
> disclosed. When I sought to do research at the ULT library in London,
> ?permission? had to be obtained. From whom? If I want to access the ULT
> archives (which presumably exist somewhere and under the control of
> someone), to whom do I apply? If I write to the ULT someone will reply,
> although the letter may be ?signed? with ?The United Lodge of
> Theosophists?. Someone decides who may and may not speak at ULT meetings.
> Someone legally owns ULT assets and edits its journals. How and by whom
> are those actually in charge appointed?
> As I previously wrote to Daniel, unknown and unknowable sources of
> authority exercise greater power because they are effectively
> unchallengeable.
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