Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00032)

I know very well what that the Declaration of ULT is saying. I'm not 
talking about that. But there are material from leading ULT 
associates, that are claiming that with the establishing of the ULT 
1909, the "Third Section" (not the organisation it self, but its 
true spirit and purpose) was reestablished. See for example: `Robert 
Crosbie en de "U.LT." tegen de historische achtergrond" by Armand 
Courtois, published by the Belgian ULT (Geünieerde Loge van 
Theosofen) in Antwerp, June 25th, 1991.

Carl

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Carl,
> 
> I think you did not carefully consider the "ULT Declaration", 
where the ULT expressly gives up any claims as to the "Third 
Section" -- or any "Theosophical Societies".   The ULT Declaration 
is the main ULT document and statement of purposes.  
> 
> You can be an associate of the ULT and belong to any Theosophical 
Society. 
> 
> So, no claims in that area either. 
> 
> 
> Regards,   Carlos. 
> 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:27:42 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Carl on "Successors"
> 
> > Not successor to HBP, but successor of Judge as head of 
the "Third 
> > Section" (the exoteric society). What or if he was claimed to be 
an 
> > agent of the Masters, I do not know. Same are saying that, as 
you 
> > very well know, and even ULT-associates are doing this (se the 
> > introduction of the Yahoo group "Theosophia"). And others are 
> > denying this. I think, as other has said here. We will not know 
the 
> > truth before the Theosophy Company in Los Angeles opens its 
> > archives. Even leading members of other ULT-lodges (then Los 
> > Angeles), has problems with access to this archive. I am not, in 
any 
> > way criticizing Crosbie. His writhing has been in my one study, 
of 
> > in great value, and still very much is. I may be critical to the 
ULT 
> > (as an organisation) on same ways as it is today, but that has 
not 
> > anything to do with Crosbie, or his work. 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Carl
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl,
> > > 
> > > I still don't see any real source as to Robert Crosbie's 
supposed 
> > claims to be a successor of HPB's. On the contrary, he has 
written 
> > against the very idea of successorship. Can you materialialize 
any 
> > real source to that rumour? Or is it something which was said by 
> > people who wanted to criticize the ULT or Crosbie? 
> > > 
> > > I tend to be this is fiction. We have to constantly re-examine 
> > our sources... 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Cópia:
> > > 
> > > Data:Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:27:47 -0000
> > > 
> > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: â??Successorsâ??!?
> > > 
> > > > Chuck!
> > > > 
> > > > I didn't say anything about that "personalities" should 
matter. 
> > For 
> > > > me, the question about succeeding is stupid, hence I can't 
see 
> > that 
> > > > anyone could succeed nether Blavatsky, nor Judge, in occult 
> > matters 
> > > > as Teachers (in till the next Messenger from the Lodge, of 
> > curse). 
> > > > As Leader/President of the T.S. is it something else. My 
point 
> > was 
> > > > as I wrote; "which was faithful, to the real and true 
impulse of 
> > the 
> > > > Masters after W.Q.J. past away, and followed the True 
> > Theosophical 
> > > > Path", instead of only discus on what his or hers claims was 
> > based 
> > > > on (right or wrong). In other words, where do we find or 
found 
> > this 
> > > > after W.Q.J. death. Which Theosophical group/succeeder 
> > as "leader" 
> > > > (I don't mean this in a Pasadena terminological way) was 
> > actually 
> > > > true to the Holy Cause? Mrs. Tingley, Mr. Crosbie and Mr. 
> > Hargrove 
> > > > were al, more or less, claiming to succeed Mr. Judge in some 
> > way. 
> > > > Mrs. Tingley claimed to be it occult (as Teacher), and Mr. 
> > Crosbie 
> > > > and Mr. Hargrove to be the "visible head" of the true Third 
> > Section 
> > > > (and Second Section in Crosbie's case also, if Mr. Hargrove 
hade 
> > any 
> > > > claims in this matter I do not know for sure) and the/an 
agent 
> > of 
> > > > the Master.
> > > > 
> > > > We need Theosophical organizations, in some way for many 
> > reasons. 
> > > > Then, as well as today. And we need Theosophical 
organizations 
> > which 
> > > > are faithful to the real and true impulse of the Masters 
(the 
> > Cause, 
> > > > the Doctrines and Teachings and so on), and who follows the 
True 
> > > > Theosophical Path.
> > > > 
> > > > And Chuck! You are on this "mailing list" also, so that most 
> > include 
> > > > you to!? 
> > > > 
> > > > Carl
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated 10/31/2006 4:14:59 AM Central Standard 
> > Time, 
> > > > > carl.ek@ writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Do any serious Theosophist or Student of Theosophy really 
> > thinks 
> > > > that 
> > > > > anyone could, what so ever, succeed Blavatsky or Judge? 
Isn't 
> > the 
> > > > > question, which was faithful, to the real and true impulse 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > Masters after W.Q.J. past away, and followed the True 
> > > > Theosophical 
> > > > > Path? So was it Mrs. Tingley or Mr. Crosbie, or even Mr. 
> > > > Hargrove? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't see why it would even matter. Theosophy is not 
about 
> > the 
> > > > > personalities but about the ideas.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Other than the folks on these mailing lists, no one cares.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Chuck the Heretic
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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