Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00244)

Daniel,


Perhaps you can tell the difference between strawberries and elephants; but it seems you cannot tell the difference between a Rite and an Esoteric School. 


The Egyptian Rite is no  Esoteric School  and  it is extremely  far from being equivalent to one. 

I did not discuss any particular Esoteric School here, as long as I remember; 
and  I do not feel  the Internet is the best environment for that discussion.  Therefore my references to the Adyar ES here have been rather marginal.  

I have respect for the Adyar ES. You may have noticed that I can  see the difference between Ms. Radha Burnier and someone like John Algeo. 

The Egyptian Rite is but an occult trap -- a really secret trap above the Adyar ES,  and it is unknown even to most ES pledged-members,  including  third degree and wardens. 

I do not criticize openly that which has even some small  of legitimacy.

Honest souls can make progress and learn in difficult environments,  and I know that. 

But the ER is another thing. Not comparable to any ES. 

Best regards,   Carlos. 

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Data:Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:05:47 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Jake: Concerning Carlos & the Egyptian Rite & DES

> Jake,
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> Notice Carlos' posting at:
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36361
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> Now Carlos brings up some interesting points in this posting.
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> These are legitimate issues here to be discussed. No doubt. And 
> the more that is known about these issues, the better. At least in
> my opinion.
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> But if one can ask hard questions about the Egyptian Rite
> and its influence on the exoteric TS Adyar, it is not
> such a leap to wonder if some of what Carlos says ALSO
> applies to other current esoteric/secret groups including the DES.
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> It was Gregory Tillett who posted some years ago on Theos-Talk
> the question which reads:
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> What has been the role of the DES (the ULT ES organization) in the
> control and/or management of the ULT?
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> If the Eygyptian Rite and the TS Adyar Esoteric Schools have had and 
> continue to have influence on the exoteric TS Adyar, then Tillett's 
> question is a natural one also to raise.
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> From what Walter Carrithers and others have told me, it is certainly 
> a legitimate question.
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> In Carlos' posting given above, he repeatedly writes 
> about "misleading secrecy" as concerning the Egyptian Rite. But 
> what about "misleading secrecy" as it applies to DES? Does it 
> apply? And if so, how? etc. etc.
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> Also notice another point Carlos brings up:
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> "I would not care to talk about that -- except for its dire 
> influence on a exoteric Society created by HPB to be an open forum 
> of search for Truth. And -- for the fact that its influence reaches 
> all of the movement, as there is no such thing as an 'occult 
> separation' among theosophical groups...."
> 
> Well, one might ask if this statement might also apply to the DES?
> Especially since Carlos assures us that :
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> "...there is no such thing as an 'occult separation' among 
> theosophical groups...."
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> What influence has there been? And could it be dire or otherwise?
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> I hope you and Carlos are not holding the position that it is more 
> than okay to discuss and even criticize one esoteric group but not 
> another. 
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> I approach all of this as an independent thinker and student. My 
> focus has been on Blavatsky --- her writings, the writings of her 
> Teachers, the history of her life, that is, material that helps one 
> to understand not only the teachings but the life, claims and work 
> of HPB. As to any of the claims, teachings and groups existing 
> AFTER 1891, I view them all with a healthy dose of 
> skepticism...trying to have an open mind but also asking hard 
> questions...certainly my association with Walter Carrithers helped 
> me to see the need for such an approach.
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> I view all existing theosophical groups with some reservation. 
> Certainly each of them have wonderful resources available, such as 
> libraries of books, publishing programs. I am convinced that the 
> vast majority of people in all these groups are good sincere 
> people...seekers of truth. But having said that, I do not mean that 
> I accept without question the various claims, etc. that have been 
> made since 1891 by the various leaders whether from the three major 
> theosophical groups today or other defunct groups such as Hargrove's 
> TS, etc. In light of all the conflicting claims and counterclaims 
> it is certainly wise to approach all such claims made by whomever 
> with healthy skepticism and hard questions.
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> That is my approach. I don't expect anyone else to hold my view. 
> People can believe or disbelieve in whatever as they so choose. 
> 
> Daniel
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