Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00405)

Cass,

I will keep you with your thoughts for a while.

Best regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:55:50 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Cass and the Soul

> Carlos,
> I see that you are an authority on what I have studied and suggest my knowledge is limited, I suggest your interpretations of HPB's teachings are naive at best. The old woman herself stated that without the assistance of Morya her 6th and 7th principles Atma-Buddhi, (HPB's Monad) would not have been awoken, not in her present incarnation.
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> carlosaveline wrote: Cass,
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> Again, much to my regret, I have to realize you have not studied too much of HPB or Theosophy. 
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> Only soul-less shells fail to have contact with their Sixth Principles. 
> This is part of the most initial ideas in Theosophy. 
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> Heard that human beings have seven principles? They all act except in very grave situations... 
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> Regards, Carlos. 
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> Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Contact With Masters Is Not Verbal
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> > Carlos,
> > Seeing most of us are not in direct communication with Atma Buddhi as our 6th principle, is dormant in its own reality, what use then is the contact, or more precisely the contact would fall on the deaf ears of the Higher self. Obviously HPB 6th principle was awakened, with the help of her master, and therefore provided the means for thought transference.
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> > Perhaps all the Masters can do is inspire us, by providing non-verbal clues to any spiritual question we may be dealing with?
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> > Or are you suggesting that Master contacts higher self and then higher self inspires a change in lower self thinking? Also I am wondering if it is non verbal how does the brain analyse it?Even when using our intuition we are able to support it with rational analysis.
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> > carlosaveline wrote: Friends,
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> > I have to agree with Daniel's viewpoint by the end of his posting below. 
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> > The 1900 Letter clearly expressed what would be the means of inspiration and upliftment of the movement from that moment. 
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> > That way of contact had already been in operation since 1891, and it is indeed a key hint for us and for future generations of students. 
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> > The Master says in that letter: 
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> > “AT FAVOURABLE TIMES WE LET LOOSE ELEVATING INFLUENCES WHICH STRIKE VARIOUS PERSONS IN VARIOUS WAYS. IT IS THE COLLECTIVE ASPECT OF MANY SUCH THOUGHTS THAT CAN GIVE THE CORRECT NOTE OF ACTION.” (1) 
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> > This is a most meaningful statement. 
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> > The History of the movement since 1900 has confrmed it is accurate. It implies communications are NOT verbal, not literal; they are Budhic, and Buddhi-Manasic, at a non-verbal, abstract, subtle level.
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> > From 1900, all attempts to "channel" the Masters failed -- and these attempts created the most embarassing episodes in the History the movement. 
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> > Contact is available -- through one's own Monad and Sixth Principle. It is not visual or verbal. It is not "personal". Realizing this, common sense prevails. 
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> > Regards, Carlos. 
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> > (1) The complete text of the 1900 Letter can be seen in the magazine “Theosophical History”, London, October 1987, pp. 115-117. It has been brought to Theos-talk in recent days, too. 
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> > Data:Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:08:08 -0000
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> > Assunto:Theos-World Claims of being in Contact with H.P.B.'s Masters
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> > > In 1884, the Theosophist A.P. Sinnett, who was the major recipient 
> > > of "The Mahatma Letters," believed he was in contact with the Master 
> > > Koot Hoomi, INDEPENDENT of H.P.B. acting as mediator. 
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> > > Sinnett wrote in his book "The Early Days of Theosophy": 
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> > > "About this time [early July 1884] Mrs. Holloway, a wonderfully 
> > > gifted American psychic came to stay with us. . . . .She used to get 
> > > vivid clairvoyant visions of the Master [Koot Hoomi], - could pass 
> > > on messages to me from K.H. and on one occasion he actually made use 
> > > of her to speak to me in the first person." p. 27 
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> > > But the Master K.H. (in a letter received by Mr. Sinnett on July 18, 
> > > 1884) pronounced Sinnett's claim FALSE and UNTRUE: 
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> > > "You ask me if you can tell Miss Arundale what I told you thro' Mrs. 
> > > H[olloway]. . . . . .[But] I have never . . . communicated with you 
> > > or any one else thro' her. . . . . She is an excellent but quite 
> > > undeveloped clairvoyante. . . . ." The Mahatma Letters, 2nd ed., p. 
> > > 355 
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> > > During this same summer, Master KH wrote to Mrs. Holloway:
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> > > "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes illusive Gurus and 
> > > chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before 
> > > in the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself. The false appear as 
> > > real, as the true, and you have no exact method of detection since 
> > > you are yet prone to force your communications to agree with your 
> > > preconceptions. . . . " "Mrs. Holloway and the Mahatmas," Letter 17.
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> > > Despite this emphatic denial by K.H., Sinnett persisted in searching 
> > > for another "channel" to the Master INDEPENDENT of H.P.B. 
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> > > In "The Autobiography of Alfred Percy Sinnett," he wrote: 
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> > > "On the 26th of April 1886. . . we went . . . to the Albemarle 
> > > Club . . . to meet a lady who was . . . desirous of making my 
> > > acquaintance . . . . . I will give her a fictitious name and call 
> > > her Mary. . . . shortly afterwards I tried a mesmeric experiment 
> > > with her (in accordance with her wish) and obtained remarkable 
> > > results - she went very easily into a trance in which she became 
> > > unequivocally clairvoyant. . . .I became convinced that she 
> > > clairvoyantly saw the mountain region in Tibet where the Master K.H. 
> > > resided. . . . . It became obvious that Mary might become a link 
> > > between myself and the Master. . . . . Mary came to stay with 
> > > us . . . in February 1888 and our regular mesmeric sittings were 
> > > resumed almost every evening, the Master [KH] talking to me through 
> > > her in most cases. In this way I gathered a great deal of 
> > > miscellaneous occult information. . . . . Mary left us to go to her 
> > > own home in May 1888 having had mesmeric sitting almost every 
> > > evening while she was with us, at most of which the Master spoke to 
> > > me, - or rather dictated to her what he wished to say. She would 
> > > pass into a higher condition in which she could be in touch with him 
> > > and be enabled to repeat his words to her in reply to my questions 
> > > or remarks." pp 33 & 38-39 
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> > > Again Master KH in a letter (dated August 22, 1888) to Colonel Henry 
> > > S. Olcott DENIED Sinnett's claim: 
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> > > "Since 1885 I have not written, nor caused to be written save thro' 
> > > her [HPB's] agency, direct or remote, a letter or line to anybody in 
> > > Europe or America, nor communicated orally with, or thro' any third 
> > > party. Theosophists should learn it." 
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> > > "You will understand later the significance of this declaration so 
> > > keep it in mind. Her [HPB's] fidelity to our work being constant, 
> > > and her sufferings having come upon her thro' it, neither I nor 
> > > either of my Brother associates will desert or supplant 
> > > her." "Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom," Series I, 1973, p. 
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> > > Mr. Sinnett also ignored this warning preferring to believe that he 
> > > was in contact with the real Master K.H. thru the same individual 
> > > (Mary) mentioned above. 
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> > > After H.P. Blavatsky's death in 1891, numerous other individuals 
> > > have claimed to be in contact with her Adept Teachers and have 
> > > stated that they were new "messengers" of the Masters conveying even 
> > > more esoteric teachings from the Masters. 
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