Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00273)

Carlos,

I love the way you always put your little "spin" on things.
I do not worship the Masters. 

If you don't like the portraits fine.  But others may view them
differently than you.  HPB even provided copies of the portraits to 
her Esoteric students.  

But because so much claptrap has been published about the
Masters (yes by for example by Besant, Leadbeater, Wedgwood, etc. 
etc.), I think serious students should learn what they
can about the real Masters as one can find in the original 
literature of the time of HPB.  Fine if YOU want to ignore the info 
and consider it personality gossip but others might want to know 
something about them.  Jesus...the Mahatma Letters give alot of 
personal info about them...do you consider reading the letters as 
indulging in personality gossip. 

But at the same time I am not one to make the Masters remote and 
abstract individuals either.  Plus many inquirers and students want 
to know about them!  Is that such a crime?

And then you are so kind (??) to give me advice.  The Aveline Advice 
I guess we could call it.  You write:

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But I tell you, Daniel  -- there is more than one life for an upper 
triad,  and what you do in one lifetime determines the kind of 
chances, or opportunities, you will have in the next ones.   Those 
who bring  "Theosophy" down to  the personality and  physical plane, 
will get  "opportunities" at this same level in the future.  

I guess you have by now a great opportunity right in front of you, 
Daniel. You can turn your attention to the Philosophy of Theosophy 
and thus help the movement to go ahead from personalistic gossips.
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Oh how kind of you!  

You no doubt have shared some great insight of yours.

Believe it or not I am also interested in the Philosophy of 
Theosophy but I had much rather learn from "karma" even if it is in 
a future life than from the blathering of...

Daniel
 
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> Well, I have  noticed that publicizing the old 19th hundred 
portraits of the Masters' physical vehicles is a favourite activity 
of yours. 
> 
> And this, in spite of the fact that they clearly said  -- in the 
1900 Letter and elsewhere --  that people should avoid adoring their 
poor "personal" selves. People should have devotion for the Supreme 
Principle or Universal Truth,  alone.  Their words. 
> 
> You write, very 'Besant sounding' : 
> 
> " .... sometimes depending on the circumstances or the individual, 
they [Masters] may communicate in a very definite visual or verbal 
way. (...) 
> (...) on another personal note, I find their portraits as painted 
in 
> 1884 as very beautiful, inspiring and uplifting."
> 
> 
> I said Besant only? No. You are sounding like Leabeater and 
Besant. Both  created a  degrading personalistic cult around the 
Mahatmas  (something Sigmund Freud can explain very well, by the 
way). 
> 
> As Ernest Wood asked in the title of his book --  "Is This 
Theosophy?"
> 
> Is this Theosophy, Daniel?  
> 
> Transforming parts of the theosophical movement in Personalistc 
Cults and thinking of Adepts as if they were the Catholic Saints of 
James Wedgwood's  Liberal Church?  Yes, Daniel, the cult for 
portrait is something you seem to have in common with Wedgwood, too. 
> 
> As you know, people who personalize the Mahatmas and thus distort 
their true existence soon start asking personal favours from the 
portraits! I hope this did not happen to you. 
> 
> But I tell you, Daniel  -- there is more than one life for an 
upper triad,  and what you do in one lifetime determines the kind of 
chances, or opportunities, you will have in the next ones.   Those 
who bring  "Theosophy" down to  the personality and  physical plane, 
will get  "opportunities" at this same level in the future.  
> 
> I guess you have by now a great opportunity right in front of you, 
Daniel. You can turn your attention to the Philosophy of Theosophy 
and thus help the movement to go ahead from personalistic gossips. 
> 
> Why not going beyond narrow petty gossips, physical plane 
portraits --  and publicity for slanders?
> 
> It is all in your own hands!
> 
> 
> Hopeful regards from your fellow planetary citizen,  Carlos. 
>