Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00269)

Daniel,

There is no reason, as long as one can see from the outside,   for you to be so emotionally attached to the slanders against HPB. 

Let it go.  Exercise openness. Stop publicizing them. It will be good for you and good for the movement.  Give peace a chance. 


Regards,  Carlos. 






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Data:Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:18:08 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Dear Carlos on Re: DEFENDING SLANDERS?

> Carlos,
> 
> Concerning what you write below in response to my posting
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/35937
> I am only stating OBSERVATIONS, some of which I cited by
> quoting chapter and verse.
> 
> The observations I have stated concernings how Michael Gomes,
> Boris de Zirkoff and Sylvia Cranston HANDLED the letters in
> question are in the public record. You may not like those
> observations. But they raise certain questions.
> 
> You should deal directly with the issues raised instead of going
> automatically into your "ad hominem" reactive mode. I can't imagine 
> a Master being so reactive and emotional! I would think students 
> and chelas who aspire to follow in the footsteps of the Masters 
> might learn to rise above such a reactive emotional kneejerk 
> reaction!! But of course you will do what you will do....
> 
> Daniel 
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> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > Sorry to say that, but you are firing to the moon.
> > 
> > You are talking too generally. Your allegations are rather 
> mediumnistical.
> > 
> > If you want to defend the slanders against HPB as true, I can 
> make a letter-by-letter analysis here. 
> > 
> > It is the SOURCE of the "letters", not to whom they were written, 
> which mus be discussed, and you SHOULD know that. 
> > 
> > Will your friends David Green and Terry Hobbes help you in that 
> exchange of views? You might need their help. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
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> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Cópia:
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> > Data:Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:39:54 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on "LETTERS FALSE AND TRUE"
> > 
> > > Carlos writes:
> > > 
> > > "Out of the 136 'letters' published by Mr. John Algeo, at least 
> 27 
> > > documents are certainly false.(1) That makes 20 percent of the 
> > > total. One out of five letters of the volume is false. Nearly 
> all 
> > > the 27 forged documents are deeply offensive to H .P. Blavatsky, 
> and 
> > > more treacherously so since they are presented as if signed by 
> HPB 
> > > herself."
> > > 
> > > But the question to ask:
> > > 
> > > Who is to determine which letters are false and which letters 
> are 
> > > true?
> > > 
> > > For example, Michael Gomes in his book THE DAWNING OF THE 
> > > THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT quotes from two of these letters claimed 
> by 
> > > Mr. Aveline to be false.
> > > 
> > > In each instance, Mr. Gomes attributes what is said in these two 
> > > letters to H.P.B. 
> > > 
> > > For example, Mr. Gomes writes (p. 185):
> > > 
> > > "She wrote to Alexander Aksakov in October 1877..."
> > > 
> > > and goes on to give a quote from one of the letters Mr. Aveline 
> > > believes is false. 
> > > 
> > > Nowhere when quoting H.P.B.'s words from this letter, does Mr. 
> Gomes 
> > > warn the reader of his book that he is quoting from false 
> letters!!
> > > 
> > > Boris de Zirkoff in his writings does the same thing. He quotes 
> > > H.P.B.'s words from various letters to Askakoff. The very 
> letters 
> > > Mr. Aveline considers false. And no where does Mr. de Zirkoff in 
> > > these instances warn the reader that he is quoting fake HPB!!!
> > > 
> > > So maybe both Michael Gomes and Boris de Zirkoff believed the 
> > > letters in question were true!
> > > 
> > > [I believe Sylvia Cranston also quotes from one of these false 
> > > letters in her HPB biography. She quotes as though the words in 
> the 
> > > letter are HPB's. And nowhere does she warn the reader to beware 
> of 
> > > this letter or the similar letters from Aksakoff as being false. 
> I 
> > > will doublecheck this since I quote from memory.]
> > > 
> > > Previously on Theos-Talk, Mr. Aveline has stated that Patrick 
> > > Deveney is now a member of the HPB Letters Commmittee and has 
> > > indicated that hopefully Mr. Deveney will improve the 
> scholarship of 
> > > the volumes published. 
> > > 
> > > But does Mr. Aveline know whether Mr. Deveney agrees with his 
> > > opinion that at least 27 letters are false? Furthermore, would 
> Mr. 
> > > Deveney be wanting to REMOVE these letters from a revised 
> edition 
> > > volume I?
> > > 
> > > My impression is that Mr. Deveney does NOT agree with Mr. 
> Aveline's 
> > > assessment of the letters in question. 
> > > 
> > > I suggest that Mr. Aveline might write to Mr. Deveney and ask 
> him 
> > > pointblank if he considers the said letters false and does he 
> favor 
> > > REMOVING them as they will be removed, for example, in the 
> > > expurgated volume (edited by Mr. Jerome Wheeler?).
> > > 
> > > Food for thought.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
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