Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00574)

Friends, 

Reading the "Mahatma Letters", or reading HPB, we see how difficult it is to work with the concept of Universal Brotherhood. 

That was from the first the major difficulty of the Pioneers of the Movement. 

A fraternal vision of mankind with no fancies about  any "superior"  people or nation, and no vision of  any "inferior" nation or country, or social class, or  human group. 

Nazism and Anti-Semitism, or Anti-Arabism, Anti-Islam, or Anti-Western automatic feelings are ways to renounce critical intelligence, to shut down Antahkarana, to stop thinking and to start "reasoning" through slogans, and though hate. 


Theosophy is NOT a collection of ideas.  As a living though subtle Wisdom, it cannot be separated from an ETHICS; and its Ethics is the Ethics of Ahimsa, non-violence, respect for all life. 


Best regards,  Carlos. 


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Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Great info Frank. - "Nihilists"   Re: Bestseller Author Excoriates Israel

> What a crock of baloney. 
> 
> Since when does the Congressional Record which prints anything any crackpot 
> says on the floor of Congress have any authority? The only thing the CR does 
> not lie about is the fact that these nut cases exist. So, why should anyone 
> believe in anything they say, or the phony documents they (or some Photoshop 
> doctor) supposedly "scans in"?
> 
> Besides, hearsay and printed documents without official seals are not 
> evidence or proof of anything. That's why I listed it as one of the propaganda 
> tricks your Neo Nazi friends use.
> 
> Come up with some valid proof for anything you or they claim to be facts... 
> Or pipe down with all this propaganda garbage.
> 
> LM
> 
> In a message dated 8/21/06 10:14:58 AM, logos_student2000@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > The Logo of the pyramid was removed years ago, Leon.
> > 
> > Read this:  http://jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel.htm
> > 
> > Do you think I'd make this up without references?   Congressional
> > Record of the United States of America, 76th Congress, Third
> > Session, dated April 19, 1940 DOES NOT LIE and you can see the
> > papers scanned in.  They were concerned...and for good reason. 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@... wrote:
> > >
> > > This incoherent and illiterate diatribe (vide: par 1 below) in
> > defense of
> > > blatant propaganda tactics along with tit for tat personal
> > accusations without
> > > foundation or reason, does nothing but simply prove my point in
> > exposing such
> > > hate mongers and propagandists for what they are.  
> > >
> > > Go to http://www.britishisrael.co.uk/ and prove another Neo Nazi
> > lie by
> > > checking its logo symbol.
> > >
> > > The question is, whose "truth" are we to believe? Those that we
> > check for
> > > ourselves, or those given us by these pathological liars who
> > diabolically ply us
> > > with fake quotes, unproved "experts" and "authorities," hearsay,
> > historical
> > > hoaxes, meaningless metaphors, false logic, fake history, and
> > faulty reasoning?
> > >
> > > It's not up to us to disprove Frank's (and your) assertions,
> > logos_student
> > > (whoever you are) -- but up to him (and you) to prove them, beyond
> > a shadow of a
> > > doubt, to us.  
> > >
> > > LM
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/20/06 10:43:09 PM, logos_student2000@...
> > writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Your "universal brotherhood" is an imposter just like the eye of
> > Horus
> > > > (as shown on the American dollar), which just happens to be the
> > symbol
> > > > of the "British Israel World Federation. 
> > > >
> > > > IF they come to your home with guns asking you to turn yours in
> > to
> > > > them for "universal brotherhood", will you give up your firearms
> > to a
> > > > bunch of men holding machines guns in your face?  Then these same
> > > > bootlicking-jellyfish tell you that guns kill people - whilst
> > guns
> > > > kill no-one but people kill people.  If someone believes guns
> > kill
> > > > people than they must also believe that pens write mistakes and
> > not
> > > > the writer!  Humanity must not be forced into handing over their
> > guns
> > > > by being told to SPREAD LOVE whilest their homes are being
> > invaded by men
> > > > in black, unmarked uniforms and lies are permitted to go
> > unchallenged!
> > > > If you want peace then then remove those things which obstruct
> > peace
> > > > and "falsehoods" are number one to remove - and Frank is a great
> > job
> > > > in supporting the truth.  People will naturally give up their
> > firearms
> > > > when they see that it is safe to do so, and thus A PERSONAL
> > CHOICE TO
> > > > DO SO.  Anyone who dares ask you to disarm must be first
> > asked, "WHY
> > > > DO YOU WANT ME TO DISARM?"  
> > > >
> > > > "And the truth shall set you Free" 
> > > >
> > > > "NOT" don't offend my petty feelings. " Yes, yes, no, no" -
> > Christ
> > > > taught that for a reason.  If someone cooks fish for you and
> > then asks
> > > > you how it tastes but you noticed that it was far too salty,
> > what do
> > > > think MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY?   Do not most people try not to
> > offend
> > > > the host's feelings and FIB about the fish? 
> > > >
> > > > Frank would say, "it was delicous and yet very salty" if it was
> > too
> > > > salty!  The ego wants us all to lie by saying to the cook or
> > host that
> > > > the fish "WAS NOT SALTY" by telling her it was fantastic!!  But
> > those
> > > > who follow "Yes, Yes, No, no" and speak truth - even if if may
> > > > offend at first, gain the deepest respects in the end! 
> > > >
> > > > The point is, you ramble on about misquotes, yet I see not a
> > single
> > > > one!  You talk about "universal brotherhood" and being non-
> > judgmental
> > > > yet you falsly accuse others of "Nazi Propaganda" when they speak
> > > > truth.  If you can prove Frank's FACTS (or mine) wrong then
> > please do
> > > > so.  If you cannot handle anything but to levy character attacks
> > then
> > > > you obviously cannot see yourself as someone seperate from a
> > Zionist -
> > > > in that you seem to take huge offense to the very word in the
> > first
> > > > place - as if Blavatsky never hinted at "evil Jew", Dugpas or
> > Jesuits
> > > > before.   
> > > >
> > > > Logos Student
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Info that consists of out of context misquotes, fake quotes and
> > > > quotes by
> > > > > questionable or prejudiced authority's, and that reeks, as
> > well, of
> > > > Nazi
> > > > > propaganda techniques -- are "Great" only for the fellow
> > travelers,
> > > > worshippers of
> > > > > Adolph Hitler, and/or disciples of his Dugpa "handlers" along
> > with
> > > > other Neo
> > > > > Nazis who believe they are the "Master Race" and the saviors
> > of the
> > > > world.  
> > > > >
> > > > > Theosophy teaches that there are good and evil actions within
> > any race,
> > > > > nationality, political, religious or ethnic group -- whose
> > degree of
> > > > application is
> > > > > based solely on individual motive behind such action.   it also
> > > > teaches that
> > > > > no one has the right to judge others until he has walked in
> > their
> > > > shoes, and
> > > > > has first judged himself.   So, it becomes a direct violation
> > of those
> > > > > theosphical principles to paint any such group as a whole with
> > the
> > > > same broad brush
> > > > > that labels each of them as having only one aspect, degree, or
> > > > characteristic of
> > > > > good or evil.   
> > > > >
> > > > > How theosophy can be so misinterpreted and used for such
> > purposes by
> > > > > professed theosophists, in direct contradiction of its
> > principles,
> > > > is beyond
> > > > > comprehension... And constitutes sufficient evidence that the
> > > > promulgators of such
> > > > > hateful garbage are liars and frauds -- who are knowledgeable
> > of the
> > > > occult tricks
> > > > > of "implying the lie by telling the [partial or half] truth."  
> > > > >
> > > > > Accordingly, as HPB pointed out -- many who are not vigilant
> > and
> > > > ignorant of
> > > > > these methods can be hypnotized or glamorized into believing
> > and
> > > > following
> > > > > others who are adept at such practices of black magic.  
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, It behooves us all to think carefully and ask
> > questions
> > > > as well as
> > > > > search for answers when reading such self evident and
> > blatantly faulty
> > > > > generalizations -- so as to separate the facts from the
> > fantasies
> > > > and the truths
> > > > > from the falsehoods.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be ever vigilant as the Buddha advised... Dugpas or false
> > > > theosophists are
> > > > > infiltrated everywhere in every group, and use whatever
> > opportunity
> > > > they can to
> > > > > create dissent and confusion among serious seekers of
> > fundamental
> > > > truth,
> > > > > harmony between all sentient beings, and "Universal
> > Brotherhood"
> > > > among all of
> > > > > Mankind.
> > > > >
> > > > > LM
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 8/12/06 10:02:43 PM, logos_student2000@
> > writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great info Frank!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could not help but notice the mention of "Nihilists" in
> > (7) and that
> > > > > > reminded me of the WW3 letters - which were supposedly
> > written by
> > > > > > Albert Pike to Mazzeni.  My research leads me to believe
> > that these
> > > > > > letters were most likey not written by Albert Pike but are
> > the letters
> > > > > > in fact a fake, in your opinion?  I would love to hear your
> > thoughts
> > > > > > on this and on my burning questions (I posted in another
> > thread) also,
> > > > > > as I believe they reflected concerns of many people today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blessings,
> > > > > > Logos_student 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Norwegian bestseller author Jostein Gaarder (Sophie's
> > World, an
> > > > > > easy-to-understand overview of Philosophy, close to the
> > theosophical
> > > > > > point of view) speaks out what the silent majority thinks
> > about
> > > > Israel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His position on the Jews - the same position every great
> > thinker and
> > > > > > poet had: from Shakespeare, Paracelsus, Böhme, Leibniz,
> > Kant, Goethe,
> > > > > > Schiller, Fichte, Schelling, Mozart, Wagner, Pushkin,
> > Carlyle,
> > > > > > Chamberlain, Blavatsky, Steiner - is also close to the
> > theosophical
> > > > > > point of view, for Gaarder says:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. "We do not believe in the notion of God's chosen
> > people. We laugh
> > > > > > at this people's fancies and weep over its misdeeds. To act
> > as God's
> > > > > > chosen people is not only stupid and arrogant, but a crime
> > against
> > > > > > humanity. We call it racism."
> > > > > > > - Jostein Gaarder,
> > > > > > http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/8/5/122335/1324
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. "But the long-pent-up torrent has now diverged into two
> > > > > > streams-Eastern Occultism and the Jewish Kabalah; the
> > traditions of
> > > > > > the Wisdom-Religion of the races that preceded the Adam of
> > the "Fall";
> > > > > > and the system of the ancient Levites of Israel, who most
> > ingeniously
> > > > > > veiled a portion of that religion of the Pantheists under
> > the mask of
> > > > > > monotheism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately many are called but few chosen. The two
> > systems
> > > > > > threaten the world of the mystics with a speedy conflict,
> > which,
> > > > > > instead of increasing the spread of the One universal Truth,
> > will
> > > > > > necessarily only weaken and impede its progress."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Blavatsky: Collected Writings, vol. VII:253
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. "Zionism is regarded as a danger... the accounts of
> > butchery of
> > > > > > the inhabitants, of intolerance, and of rushless destruction
> > of
> > > > cities."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Talbot Mundy, "The Lama's law",  Ohio, Isis Books 1995,
> > p. 6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4. "Hence the modern warriors who achieve such feats (with
> > the
> > > > > > modern improvement occassionally, of shooting their enemies
> > out of the
> > > > > > mouths of big guns) walk, most undeniably, "in the ways" of
> > the Lord
> > > > > > of the Jews, but never in the ways of Christ."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - B:CW VIII:263
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Theosophy rejects also the Rothschild conspiracy (B:CW
> > III:164,
> > > > > > III:207, II:105) of terror, socialism, nihilism, communism,
> > > > > > internationalism, Freemasonic World Republic, globalism,
> > League of
> > > > > > Nations, United Nations etc. and their "would-be
> > benefactors" (HPB,
> > > > > > B:CW VII:159):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5. "Theories of internationalism, being based on local
> > point of
> > > > > > view, can accomplish no more than to reduce all nations to
> > one
> > > > > > dead-level of suppression, leading ultimately to explosion
> > more
> > > > > > terrific than the outbursts of Vesuvius - matter seeking to
> > imprison
> > > > > > force.
> > > > > > > It is the Universal Law that makes possible the playing of
> > > > > > Beethoven's magic compositions by orchestra of a hundred
> > pieces. To
> > > > > > compel the first and second violins to use their bows
> > simultaneausly,
> > > > > > would accomplish a result as futile in degree, and in its
> > way, as any
> > > > > > effort to bind the nations in one man-governed league. It is
> > enough,
> > > > > > and difficult enough, that nations should govern themselves;
> > and they
> > > > > > will never attain harmony by all striving to be the first
> > violins.
> > > > > > Order is attained by listening, self-government, and work;
> > and not by
> > > > > > listening to the next piece in the orchestra but to the
> > universal
> > > > > > symphony."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Talbot Mundy: "Universal", The Theosophical Path,
> > January 1924,
> > > > > > Reprint: "The Lama's Law. Talbot Mundy in 'The Theosophical
> > Path'",
> > > > > > Ohio, Isis Books 1995, pp. 41-42.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6. "Surely it is not the living Mahatmas but "the Biblical
> > one
> > > > > > living God," he who, thousands of years ago, had inspired
> > Jephthah to
> > > > > > murder his daughter, and the weak David to hang the seven
> > sons and
> > > > > > grandsons of Saul "in the hill before the Lord"; and who
> > again in our
> > > > > > own age had moved Guiteau to shoot President Garfield that
> > must have
> > > > > > also inspired Danton and Robespierre, Marat and the Russian
> > Nihilists
> > > > > > to open eras of Terror and turn Churches into slaughter-
> > houses."
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