Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00565)

8/22/2006 6:34 AM

 

Lenny:

 

Many thanks  you covered it, but I needed your wise confirmation, and any
additional remarks you  might care to share.

 

Best wishes,

 

How are you now ?  Settled in ?  

 

Dallas

 

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From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of leonmaurer@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:51 PM
To: dalval14@earthlink.net
Subject: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] Re: Difference between humans and
animals?

 

Hi Dallas,

Assuming you are referring to the ideas of "morphogenetic fields" as the 
theoretical scientific basis of evolution as well as psychic phenomena, etc.
-- 
the only reference I could recommend, besides my ABC theory -- which calls
these 
"morphogenetic" fields "coenergetic hyperspace fields" -- is the book, New 
Science of Life by Rupert Sheldrake. Also see, 
http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake>
.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

As for the rest, I think most of it is covered by the HPB references you
gave 
in the Secret Doctrine -- from which all of this can be logically deduced.

Hope this helps.

Lenny

In a message dated 8/20/06 8:38:48 PM, dalval14@earthlink.
<mailto:dalval14%40earthlink.net> net writes:

> 8/20/2006 5:13 PM
> 
> Lenny thanks,
> 
> Sounds reasonable.   Are there any actual references to this ?
> 
> I found in SECRET DOCTRINE:
> 
> --------------------------------------
> 
>     Courtesy of THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Pasadena  ]
> 
> BRAIN
> 
> activity electric phenomena I 85
> pe & human II 193n, 646n, 661, 676, 682
> Atlantean, & nervous centers II 761
> -change & thought I 124n
> Chochmah [Hokhmah] or I 352
> dreamless sleep & I 266
> eyes grow fr within II 295
> gray matter of, & sexual acts II 296
> heart &, of sun I 541
> human, needed for speech II 661
> intellect & II 301
> mammalian II 301
> normal & abnormal states of II 296
> our, has softened II 250
> of Paleolithic man II 686n
> particles record thought I 104
> physical, forgets II 424
> reacts on pineal gland II 296, 301-2
> registers memory II 301
> size of, & intellect II 168n, 522-3
> sound & I 554, 565
> -stuff on physical plane I 291
> 
> 
> Cerebellum, seat of animal proclivities II 297-301
> Cerebral Hemispheres, forepart of, & human intellect II 301
> Cerebration, & chylification I 297
> 
> 
> ======================================
> 
> Best wishesm
> 
> Dallas
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LeonMaurer@aol. <mailto:LeonMaurer%40aol.com> com
[mailto:LeonMaurer@aol. <mailto:LeonMaurer%40aol.com> com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:39 PM
> To: study@blavatsky. <mailto:study%40blavatsky.net> net
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Difference between humans and animals?
> 
> Dallas, scribe, et al,
> 
> Please accept my original answers to Scribe's question as being with
respect
> to the physical evolutionary changes that would be obvious from a
> "Darwinist" or scientific materialist's point of view -- which denies the
> existence of the higher order astral and mental fields separate from (but
> connected metaphysically to) the physical brain itself.
> 
> Apparently, then, with respect to Dallas' references to the theosophical
> truths -- we could say that Man's expanded brain might come first -- since
> the "lighting up of Manas" or mind of the former animal-man would induce
> thought, which would excite the brain's neurons and cause the cerebellum
to
> expand and grow accordingly. 
> 
> This new thinking ability, both rational and intuitive, would, in turn,
> generate new ideas that would eventually require the capability for
> producing imagined  and mentally planned artifacts such as clothing,
> weapons, and shelters that would be inspired by Man's physical needs for
> surviving in a hostile world -- further accelerating the growth of the
> cerebellum. 
> 
> Thus, the evolutionary changes due to mental thought imagery that would
aid
> in the "survival of the fittest" through the use of these artifacts, would
> also, through such focussed visualizations and willful intent, transform
the
> astral field energies into magnetic holograph images that would start
> attracting physical matter so as to form the necessary changes in the
> physical form -- such as the opposed thumb necessary for grasping and
making
> tools to use in making those artifacts.
> 
> (Incidentally, this manner of evolutionary change and growth -- since it
is
> analogous and  corresponding to the genesis of the universe from the
> absolute zero-point "singularity" -- may answer the question," Which came
> first, the chicken or the egg.":-)
> 
> The encoding of these changes in the surviving DNA would then spread
through
> the human population coenergetically (i.e., by inductive resonance
> processes) by means of the "morphogenetic fields," such as those described
> by Ruppert Sheldrake -- which would be analogous to the higher order,
> coadunate but not consubstantial coenergetic fields of the scientifically
> consistent ABC theory that is based on the identical theosophical
> metaphysics described in the book of Dzyan and outlined in the Secret
> Doctrine.
> 
> Hope this adds some additional clarity to the way evolution works.
> 
> Lenny
> 
> In a message dated 8/16/06 11:32:46 AM, dalval14@earthlink.
<mailto:dalval14%40earthlink.net> net writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 8/16/2006 5:40 AM
> 
> Friends:
> 
> May I observe in regard to your discussion?
> 
> As I see it:  I quote from what you write :
> 
> If the "the most important physical change that distinguishes Man from
> the animals was the development of the opposed thumb. " is chosen as a
> physical criterion, then that unique power or intelligence, or
consciousness
> which controls and directs the "opposed thumb" ought to be identified and
> investigated.  How and where does it arise.? Who guides it?  If "I" am the
> perceiver and director -- then I am always responsible -- and I weave my
> personal Karma from all the choices made in the past, and being made now
by
> an act of my will.  When was this change to conscious perception and the
> potentiality for a responsive choice started for we -- who are the MANASIC
> MONADS ?  THEOSOPHY calls it "The LIGHTING UP OF MANAS."   [ Quotes:
> 
> 
> "...the Manasa Devas who endowed man with the consciousness of his
immortal
> soul:  that consciousness which hinders man "from foreseeing death," and
> makes him know he is immortal.
> ( Fn.: --  The monad of the animal is as immortal as that of man, yet the
> brute knows nothing of this;  it lives an animal life of sensation just as
> the first human would have lived, when attaining physical development in
the
> Third Race, had it not been for the Agnishwatta, and the Manasa Pitris.")
> [Myth of Prometheus, further explained.]        SD II 525
> 
> 
> "Every form on earth and every speck (atom) in Space strives in its
efforts
> towards self-formation to follow the model placed for it in the "Heavenly
> Man"...Its [atom's] involution and evolution, its external and internal
> growth and development, have all one and the same object--man;  man is the
> highest physical and ultimate form on this earth;  the MONAD in the
absolute
> totality and awakened condition--as the culmination of the divine
> incarnations on Earth."        S D I 183
> 
> 
> "...a law inexorable, by which man lifts himself by degrees from the state
> of a beast to the glory of a God. The rapidity with which this is done is
> different with every living soul;  and the wretches who hug the primitive
> task master,  misery, choose to go slowly through the       tread-mill
> course which may give them innumerable lives of physical sensation--
whether
> pleasant or painful, well-beloved because tangible to the very lowest
> senses.  The Theosophist
> who desires to enter upon occultism takes some of Nature's privileges into
> his own hands, by that very wish, and soon discovers that experiences come
> to him with double quick rapidity.  His business is then to recognize that
> he is under--to him--new and swifter law of Development, and to snatch at
> the lessons that come to him...He sees that it takes a very wise man to do
> good works without danger of doing incalculable harm.  A highly developed
> adept in life may grasp the nettle, and by his great intuitive powers,
know
> whom to relieve from pain and whom to leave in the mire that is their best
> teacher...None of us know the darkness which lurks in the depths of our
own
> being until some strange and unfamiliar experience rouses the whole being
> into action...The ignorant doing of good works may be vitally
injurious...it
> is not the spirit of self-sacrifice, or of devotion, or of desire to help
> that is lacking, but the strength to acquire knowledge and power and
> intuition, so that the deeds done shall really be worthy of the
> "Buddha-Christ" spirit."          HPB ART, I, p.76-7
> 
> 
> "The whole individuality is centred in the three middle Principles or
third
> (MANAS), and fifth (ASTRAL BODY) principles.  During earthly life it is
all
> in the fourth (KAMA-MANAS), the center of energy, volition--will...the
> individuality survives...to run its seven-fold and upward course [ it ]
has
> to assimilate to itself the eternal-life power residing but in the seventh
> (ATMA), and then blend the three (4th, 5th & 7th) into one--the 6th
> (BUDDHI).  Those who succeed in doing so become Buddhas, Dhyan Chohans,
> etc...  The chief object of our struggle and initiations is to achieve
this
> union while yet on this earth."    M L  (Barker), pp. 77-8
> 
> 
> "...unless the higher Self or Ego gravitates towards its Sun--the
Monad--the
> lower Ego, or personal Self, will have the upper hand in every case.  For
it
> is this Ego, with its fierce selfishness and animal desire to live a
> Senseless life (Tanha), which is the "maker of the tabernacle," as Buddha
> calls it in Dhammapada..."     SD II 110
> 
> 
> "...[the Agnishwatta Pitris] were destined to incarnate as the Egos of the
> forthcoming crop of Mankind.  The human Ego is neither Atman nor Buddhi,
but
> the higher Manas:  the intellectual fruition and the efflorescence of the
> intellectual self-conscious Egotism--in the higher spiritual sense.  The
> ancient works refer to it as Karana Sarira on the plane of the Sutratma,
> which is the golden thread on which, like beads, the various personalities
> of this higher Ego are strung...these beings were RETURNING NIRVANEES,
from
> preceding Maha-Manvantaras--ages of incalculable duration..."        S D
> II 79
> 
> 
> "...the "Ego" in man is a monad that has gathered to itself innumerable
> experiences through aeons of time, slowly unfolding its latent potencies
> through plane after plane of matter.  It is hence called the "eternal
> pilgrim."
> 
> The Manasic, or mind principle, is cosmic and universal.  It is the
creator
> of all forms, and the basis of all law in nature.  Not so with
> consciousness.  Consciousness is a condition of the monad as a result of
> embodiment in matter and the dwelling in a physical form.
> Self-consciousness, which from the animal plane looking upward is the
> beginning of perfection, from the divine plane looking downwards is the
> perfection of selfishness and the curse of separateness.  it is the "world
> of illusion" that man has created for himself.  "Maya is the perceptive
> faculty of every Ego which considers itself a Unit, separate from and
> independent of the One Infinite and Eternal Sat or 'be-ness'," (SD I 329)
> The "eternal pilgrim" must therefore mount higher, and flee from the plane
> of self-consciousness it has struggled so hard to reach."    WQJ  Art I
> p. 29
> 
> 
> ". man's spirit while not individual per se, yet preserves its distinct
> individuality in Paranirvana, owing to the accumulation in it of the
> aggregates, or skandhas that have survived after each death, from the
> highest faculties of the Manas. 
> 
> The most spiritual--i.e., the highest and divinest aspirations of every
> personality follow Buddhi and the Seventh Principle into Devachan (Swarga)
> after the death of the Monad...the individuality of the spirit-soul...is
> preserved to the end of the great cycle (Maha-Manwantara) when each Ego
> enters Paranirvana, or is merged in Parabrahm...however long the "night of
> Brahma" or even the Universal Pralaya...yet, when it ends, the same
> individual Divine Monad resumes its majestic path of evolution, though on
a
> higher, hundredfold perfected and more pure chain of earths (266) than
> before, and brings with it all the essence of compound spiritualities from
> its previous countless rebirths."    HPB ARTICLES  III  265-6
> 
> 
> 
> "... SPIRITUAL SOUL OR BUDDHI, in close union with Manas, the
> mind-principle, without which it is no Ego at all, but only the Atmic
> Vehicle. (passive agent)..."Buddhi becomes conscious by the accretions it
> gets from Manas after every new incarnation an death of man."    (SD I
244)
> [see HPB Art. III, 265 ]    Key p. 176
> 
> 
> "BUDDHI...The faculty of cognizing the channel through which divine
> knowledge reaches the Ego, the discernment of good and evil, "divine
> consciousness,"  "Spiritual Soul,"  the vehicle of Atma."  SD I xix
> [see also SD I 17 119, 244, 570, 453;  Key 175-6]    
> 
> 
> "OUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS ONE AND NOT MANY, nor different from other
> consciousness.  It is not waking consciousness, sleeping consciousness, or
> any other but consciousness itself... the consciousness of each person is
> the Witness or Spectator of the actions and experiences of every state we
> are in or pass through.  It therefore follows that the waking condition of
> the mind is not separate consciousness. 
> 
> The one consciousness pierces up and down through all the states or planes
> of Being, and serves to uphold the memory...of each state's experiences."
> Gita Notes, p. 98-9
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> The "opposed thumb" is a phenomenon of the mental idea of holding and
> manipulating; and to this a "purpose" has to be identified at the root of
> this or any action.  The quality of any "purpose" would depend on whether
it
> is "SELFISH" or "UNSELFISH." 
> 
> The MIND coupled with our Kamic (desires and passions) nature makes this
> possible.  [The "animals" have the faculty, at their stage of progress /
> evolution, of "instinct" but not of that continued identity we call mind
(or
> MANAS). [It is the MANAS that reincarnates.  -- see KEY TO THEOSOPHY
(HPB),
> some of the advanced individual animal MONADS, HPB states, had reached the
> stage where MANAS could be lit up. 
> 
> The PURPOSE of such (or of any human action adds the MORAL FACTOR.
Mankind
> as a whole is in the stage / plane of MIND DEVELOPMENT --  see PATANJALI'S
> YOGA SUTRAS.  It is individualized.  See tables of "human principles" in
KEY
> TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) at pp. 91-2, 135-6, 195-6 and the Intervening
> explanations of the entire process and purpose of  evolution -- where the
> '"PHYSICAL" is shown  to be powered by the karmic motives and our present
> choices / will.  These are resident and dominant in the principles of Kama
> and Mind  (Kama and Manas).
> 
> The "moral factor is divisible into the "virtues"  which are dual: SELFISH
> and UNSELFISH, and these distinguish BROTHERHOOD and care for others, or
the
> reverse. This in turn invokes not only the monadic, individual KARMA, but
> affects the whole Universe  (composed of  innumerable sensitive
"life-atoms"
> or MONADS. 
> 
> We are never "alone."  [All our personal thoughts, feelings and acts are
> indelibly recorded by the Lipika on the tablets of the Akasa.] But we are
> surrounded with innumerable living MONADS -- each at their own stage of
> self-development and progress, and all advance (each is affected by other
> MONADS) individually towards the common central and ultimate Goal: Supreme
> PERFECTION in Wisdom and "wise action." (see BHAGAVAD GITA  (Krishna)  for
a
> treatise on this.)
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Dallas
> 
> -----------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scribe
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Difference between humans and animals?
> 
> Leonardo,
> 
> Thanks so much, that was just great, just the kind of information I
wanted.
> And in addition you also hit the nail on the head with problems the ID ers
> have with any sort of "proof" that would satisfy their critics.
> 
> Again, "right on"--
> 
> Best Regards,
> Don Ridgway
> "scribe"
> 
> 
> 
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