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CASS AND THE WORDS

Aug 10, 2006 12:31 PM
by carlosaveline


Cass, Friends, 

Thanks. 

Everyone is entitled to fragment my views and then "unbuild" them sentence by sentence, word by word.  

Yet I beg everyone's  pardon for not working like that.

The discussion word by word,  sentence by sentence, where the meaning of sentences and words are often seen in a very peculiar way by each reader, usualy feed personalistic debates. 

My prefered way of exchanging views is to  appeal impersonally and philosophically to the group as a whole, without sticking to discussing this or that phrase.

Things like "I imagine you are referrring to... this or that" -- describe what I mean. 

But I have to accept that my thesis, that "logic without heart is often worse than useless", is difficult to take for some, and hard to grasp as a concept, too.  

This complex idea is related to Antahkarana. 

We should be able to have a line of consistency ( imperfect, partial, but still a line of consistency ) between what we FEEL, and THINK, and SAY, and DO.  

If thoughts, emotions, actions and words are connected by the golden line of integrity (not without imperfections, but still united by this 'vertical' line) -- then in this very same measure the higher self will be present; and Antahkarana will be active, and widened, and operating well. 

Now, as I say that, I am but sharing what I feel. There is no need to 
fragment these ideas above in words or discuss them word by word. 

The challenge, for me,  is the the ability to hear Voice of the Silence. 

The challenge is to use words and NOT getting too  limited by them.  

The blissful opportunity  is in using words and in not being used by  them. 

One example is the use of the word "truce". It is a metaphor. The same fact could be called in a hundred different ways.  

And every word in esoteric philosophy is but a metaphor. 

It is  but a finger pointing to the wonderful  full moon light of truth,  in the classical  Zen  image.  

And we will never effectively show light by pointing to fingers,  or by critizing each other's fingers. 

"The name of the thing is not the thing" (ancient Indian axiom). 


Best and kind regards, and in truce,  


AUM Shanti, Carlos. 




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Data:Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:49:19 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World UTOPIA & H.P.B.

> Carlos,
> You wrote, One of the many conclusions we may get to, from studying once and again these superb lines, is that in Esoteric Science merely logical reasoning at the dualistic level is sometimes worse than useless.
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> Cass: Logical reasoning at the dualistic level is sometimes worse than useless.As stated by me, I believe her lines refer specifically to logical reasoning. 
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> > Only an expanded consciousness can grasp the esoteric view of life, a view which includes both outer dualism and contrast, and inner unity and harmony. 
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> Cass: Higher Manas sits like the dweller waiting for lower manas to rise not the other way around. My understanding is that an expanded consciousness is no longer in the realms of duality and sees the whole rather than the part. Therefore understanding is spontaneous and non judgemental.
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> > Indeed, it is by acknowledging our own individual co-responsibility for the future of mankind, nay, of all beings, that we get to be able to really learn what is Theosophy about : universal compassion. 
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> Cass: I imagine that you are referring to our thought processess contributing to the mass karma of the planet and in that way we are co-responsible for all wars etc. . However, the masters avoid this co-responsibility by letting the karmic children play out the scenarios they have engendered by their incorrect thinking, usually brought about by misconstrued religious ideals. What about the pacifists who wish nothing more than peace, are they karmically tied to wars and suffering perpetrated by others? Surely universal compassion means an understanding of loving thine enemies, a forgive them for what they no not what they are doing?
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> > Strangely as it may sound, planetary utopia must begin with everyone of us, and it technically depends on each one’s “Antahkarana”, the bridge between the higher and the lower in individual life.
> Cass: All very nice, but idealism at its worse. Antankarana imo is still part of duality. I do not believe that there is a bridge to cross but a cross to bridge.
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> > Best regards, Carlos. 
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> > (1) “The Beacon of the Unknown”, in “Collected Writing of H.P. Blavatsky”, Vol. XI, first edition, 1973, Theosophical Publishing House, India/England, 632 pp., see pp. 282-283. 
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