Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00307)

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Cass

carlosaveline <carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:                                  Marie,
 
 I fail to see why any member of Theos-talk would have to explain the process of preparing  and posting things in Theos-talk.  I really have other things to do with the time I have available. I hope you can understand that. 
 
 Regards,  Carlos. 
 
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 Data:Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:08:54 EDT
 
 Assunto:Re: Theos-World Leadbeater in Brazil?
 
 > Carlos, below is given text that you wrote under 2 subject headers:
 > "Leadbeater in Brazil?" and "PEDRO, C.W.L. & BRAZIL" except, in the 2nd 
 > subject line your salutation reads: Dear Pedro, Gregory and Theos-talk Friends. 
 > The reason I am bringing this up again? I am wondering why this is done? The 
 > same message, repeated with a different subject line? I asked this question 
 > before, and you declined to answer under the auspices of the so-called TRUCE. 
 > In the spirit of open communication, and also under the auspices of the same 
 > TRUCE, I respectfully ask you this again. Thank you, Carlos.
 > 
 > Marie
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 > Dear Gregory, Dear Friends, 
 > 
 > Thanks to Gregory. I did some investigation about that. 
 > 
 > There was no such thing as the violent revolt and other events in Brazil as 
 > described by Leadbeater in the text you discuss. 
 > 
 > Brazilian indigenous peoples (as also black people) here were and are 
 > peaceful and not violent at all. 
 > 
 > To formalize that, I got the testimony of a Historian -- and bibliography 
 > also clarifies that. 
 > 
 > This is one of the things already investigated by me and which I still have 
 > to put into English and bring here. 
 > 
 > I wrote to Ms. Joy Mills in December 1999 and among other topics confronted 
 > her with these facts and asked her opinion. She then wrote to me considering 
 > it an established fact that Leadbeater never came to Brazil. And Joy referred 
 > to Tillett's book without naming it. Yet she apparently wanted me to remain 
 > silent about the facts. That I did not do. 
 > 
 > The response to the fact that Leadbeater never came to Brazil, from other 
 > Adyar TS leaders (in Brazil and elswhere), has been one of pure DENIAL. They 
 > simply avoid the subject so far. 
 > 
 > I would like them to see and realize that no theosophical institution, 
 > corporation or group can benefit from denying facts. 
 > 
 > In the long run, legitimate institutions can only benefit from searching for 
 > truth and accepting events as they are. 
 > 
 > I say this because true peace -- or a lasting truce in the movement -- 
 > cannot be separated from Ethics, Justice or Truthfulness. 
 > 
 > We may well suffer from a thousand illusions; but there must be a mutual 
 > permission to be sincere and to share our views about truth, as this is an 
 > essential part of any learning process. 
 > 
 > Of course, all of the groups in the movement have made and still make 
 > mistakes, so it is not an exercise of finger-pointing. It is but the practice of 
 > opening one's mind and sharing one's thoughts. 
 > 
 > Perhaps Pedro Oliveira and others can help us get to another and better 
 > level of dialogue. 
 > 
 > I am reasonably confident about that. 
 > 
 > Hopeful regards, Carlos. 
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