Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00122)

Friends, 

David Green,  or Daniel Caldwell,  does not present himself as the author of that book.  He presents himself as the "editor" and "compiler" of it. 

So the "job of an author" mentioned by Cass must refer to someone else. 

Carlos. 


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Data:Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Coulomb Archives Evolving?

> An Author's job is to present the evidence - not to comment on it. What don't you get about that?????
> Cass
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> carlosaveline wrote: Daniel, 
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> In your book you do not say you do not believe these "testimonies"; and you don't say their authors are liars in your opinion. This is new. Congratulations. For some mysterious factor, you seem to be evolving. 
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> Carlos. 
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> Data:Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:26:21 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Carlos and His Laughing Plus Other Points He Ignores
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> > Carlos wrote:
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> > ===============================================
> > I had to laugh, physically and nicely, upon reading this sentence in
> > your message:
> > 
> > " ( ... ) I don't believe in the Coulombs or in Soloviof.
> > I believe both the Coulombs and Soloviof turned against
> > Madame Blavatsky and lied about her."
> > 
> > As a good laugh is always good for health, I must thank you.
> > 
> > I will probably quote these two sentences of yours in the future!
> > 
> > So you do CONFESS you do KNOW you are circulating poison, false 
> > dollars, lies,SLANDERS.
> > 
> > Thanks for your transparency,
> > =======================================================
> > 
> > 
> > First I give a quote from HPB. What HPB writes is apparently
> > something Aveline chooses to forget:
> > 
> > "...in the world mental as in the world spiritual each man
> > must progress by his own efforts. The writer cannot do the
> > reader's thinking for him, nor would the latter be any the
> > better off if such vicarious thought were possible..."
> > 
> > Now my comments.
> > 
> > I gave my opinion about the Coulomb material in
> > my book and I give below my reasons for including such
> > material:
> > 
> > In regards to Aveline's comments about the adding of
> > negative accounts by Coulomb and Hodgson, etc. to the
> > TPH Wheaton edition of my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF
> > MADAME BLAVATSKY, it was MY decision to add them so that readers
> > could see what the charges against HPB actually were,
> > ESPECIALLY since many of the other accounts by
> > "friendly" witnesses refer to these charges, and even
> > make comments about the charges, etc.
> > 
> > I saw no good reason to hide the "negative" accounts
> > from readers....
> > 
> > One might conclude from his various comments at Theos-Talk that Mr. 
> > Aveline doesn't want readers to read these accounts for themselves 
> > and come to THEIR OWN conclusions.
> > 
> > Also by giving these accounts in my book, the reader
> > can start to UNDERSTAND the RELEVANCE of what the
> > other witnesses say in their accounts.
> > 
> > Furthermore, I was motivated to include them in light
> > of what Madame Blavatsky once wrote:
> > 
> > "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things
> > at their right value; and unless a judge compares
> > notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a
> > correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist,
> > July, 1881, p. 218.
> > 
> > I wanted the reader to be able to compare notes and
> > hear both sides. 
> > 
> > What is wrong with that? 
> > 
> > Doesn't Mr. Aveline want readers to do THEIR OWN comparing of
> > notes, etc.?
> > 
> > And CONTRARY to what Mr. Aveline has written before, some of the
> > editorial notes in my book do call the reader's
> > attention to the conflicting testimony and even to the
> > falsity of the charges against HPB.
> > 
> > Here are some of the notes to the readers in my book:
> > 
> > p. 185: "Her phenomena and the reality of her teachers
> > were both controversial matters, eliciting both
> > believing acceptance (sometimes with independent
> > confirmation) and skeptical rejection, as the
> > following selections will illustrate."
> > 
> > p. 205: "Emma Coulomb later claimed that she
> > collaborated with HPB at Adyar, as she had earlier in
> > Bombay, in producing false phenomena; however, her
> > descriptions of what she did are not consistent with
> > the observatations of others, who witnessed the
> > phenomena, both Indian and Westerners, as some of the
> > following selections demonstrate."
> > 
> > p. 263: "Meanwhile, a vicious attack on Blavatsky by
> > two of her staff members at Adyar, Alexis and Emma
> > Coulomb, was rapidly building up....She wished to sue
> > the couple, already dismissed from Adyar for their
> > gross libel concerning her supposedly fraudulent
> > production of psychic phenomena...."
> > 
> > p. 264: "The Coulomb attack, as was later evident, had
> > no solid foundation whatsoever. It was based on forged
> > and partially forged letters, purporting to have been
> > written by H.P. Blavatsky, with instructions to
> > arrange fraudulent psychic phenomena of various
> > kinds."
> > 
> > p. 264: "In 1963, Adlai Waterman....refuted Hodgson's
> > contentions against Madame Blavatsky....Another
> > refutation of some of Hodgson's charges against HPB is
> > Vernon Harison's article...."
> > 
> > p. 406: "In May 1884, the Coulomb couple were expelled
> > from the Theosophial Society for theft, attempted
> > extortion and slander...."
> > 
> > One might conclude that Mr. Aveline either didn't
> > carefully read my book to know about these notes or
> > else he didn't want his readers to know that I had
> > added such comments.
> > 
> > Surely the perceptive reader of all of these notes,
> > etc. in my book will be able to see that one should
> > take what these writers [Coulomb and Hodgson] say with
> > a few grains of salt.
> > 
> > Furthermore, I specifically selected the material by
> > Coulomb and Hodgson to put in JUXTAPOSITION with other
> > accounts which show that what they (Coulomb and
> > Hodgson) say about, for example, the appearances of
> > the Masters, must surely be off the mark, to say the
> > least or as I believe.....wrong...false.
> > 
> > See also: 
> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/mahatmasapparitions.htm
> > 
> > If anything, the accounts by the above "enemies" of
> > HPB found next to other accounts will make the reader
> > .... THINK .... about the charges and their validity.
> > 
> > And if they are perceptive at all, they should (at the
> > very least) conclude that the Coulomb/Hodgson charges
> > should not be taken at face value WITHOUT carefully
> > considering other material which is ALSO FOUND in the
> > book or what can be found in greater detail in the
> > Waterman and Harrison books.
> > 
> > Some of the thoughtful readers of my book may actually
> > dig deeper and try to determine for themselves what
> > really happened....instead of believing either Aveline
> > or me!!
> > 
> > Daniel
> > BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER
> > http://blavatskyarchives.com
> > http://theosophy.info
> > 
> > ========================================================
> > "...none but the logician, the investigator, the dauntless
> > explorer should meddle with books like this. Such delvers
> > after truth have the courage of their opinions."
> > H.P. Blavatsky
> > 
> > "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at
> > their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and
> > hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision."
> > H.P. Blavatsky
> > 
> > "...in the world mental as in the world spiritual each man
> > must progress by his own efforts. The writer cannot do the
> > reader's thinking for him, nor would the latter be any the
> > better off if such vicarious thought were possible..."
> > H.P. Blavatsky
> > =======================================================
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