Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00094)

Daniel, 

In your book you do not say you do not believe these "testimonies"; and you don't  say their authors are liars in your opinion.  This is new. Congratulations. For some mysterious factor, you seem to be evolving.   

Carlos. 

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Data:Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:26:21 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos and His Laughing Plus Other Points He Ignores

> Carlos wrote:
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> I had to laugh, physically and nicely, upon reading this sentence in
> your message:
> 
> " ( ... ) I don't believe in the Coulombs or in Soloviof.
> I believe both the Coulombs and Soloviof turned against
> Madame Blavatsky and lied about her."
> 
> As a good laugh is always good for health, I must thank you.
> 
> I will probably quote these two sentences of yours in the future!
> 
> So you do CONFESS you do KNOW you are circulating poison, false 
> dollars, lies,SLANDERS.
> 
> Thanks for your transparency,
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> 
> 
> First I give a quote from HPB. What HPB writes is apparently
> something Aveline chooses to forget:
> 
> "...in the world mental as in the world spiritual each man
> must progress by his own efforts. The writer cannot do the
> reader's thinking for him, nor would the latter be any the
> better off if such vicarious thought were possible..."
> 
> Now my comments.
> 
> I gave my opinion about the Coulomb material in
> my book and I give below my reasons for including such
> material:
> 
> In regards to Aveline's comments about the adding of
> negative accounts by Coulomb and Hodgson, etc. to the
> TPH Wheaton edition of my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF
> MADAME BLAVATSKY, it was MY decision to add them so that readers
> could see what the charges against HPB actually were,
> ESPECIALLY since many of the other accounts by
> "friendly" witnesses refer to these charges, and even
> make comments about the charges, etc.
> 
> I saw no good reason to hide the "negative" accounts
> from readers....
> 
> One might conclude from his various comments at Theos-Talk that Mr. 
> Aveline doesn't want readers to read these accounts for themselves 
> and come to THEIR OWN conclusions.
> 
> Also by giving these accounts in my book, the reader
> can start to UNDERSTAND the RELEVANCE of what the
> other witnesses say in their accounts.
> 
> Furthermore, I was motivated to include them in light
> of what Madame Blavatsky once wrote:
> 
> "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things
> at their right value; and unless a judge compares
> notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a
> correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist,
> July, 1881, p. 218.
> 
> I wanted the reader to be able to compare notes and
> hear both sides. 
> 
> What is wrong with that? 
> 
> Doesn't Mr. Aveline want readers to do THEIR OWN comparing of
> notes, etc.?
> 
> And CONTRARY to what Mr. Aveline has written before, some of the
> editorial notes in my book do call the reader's
> attention to the conflicting testimony and even to the
> falsity of the charges against HPB.
> 
> Here are some of the notes to the readers in my book:
> 
> p. 185: "Her phenomena and the reality of her teachers
> were both controversial matters, eliciting both
> believing acceptance (sometimes with independent
> confirmation) and skeptical rejection, as the
> following selections will illustrate."
> 
> p. 205: "Emma Coulomb later claimed that she
> collaborated with HPB at Adyar, as she had earlier in
> Bombay, in producing false phenomena; however, her
> descriptions of what she did are not consistent with
> the observatations of others, who witnessed the
> phenomena, both Indian and Westerners, as some of the
> following selections demonstrate."
> 
> p. 263: "Meanwhile, a vicious attack on Blavatsky by
> two of her staff members at Adyar, Alexis and Emma
> Coulomb, was rapidly building up....She wished to sue
> the couple, already dismissed from Adyar for their
> gross libel concerning her supposedly fraudulent
> production of psychic phenomena...."
> 
> p. 264: "The Coulomb attack, as was later evident, had
> no solid foundation whatsoever. It was based on forged
> and partially forged letters, purporting to have been
> written by H.P. Blavatsky, with instructions to
> arrange fraudulent psychic phenomena of various
> kinds."
> 
> p. 264: "In 1963, Adlai Waterman....refuted Hodgson's
> contentions against Madame Blavatsky....Another
> refutation of some of Hodgson's charges against HPB is
> Vernon Harison's article...."
> 
> p. 406: "In May 1884, the Coulomb couple were expelled
> from the Theosophial Society for theft, attempted
> extortion and slander...."
> 
> One might conclude that Mr. Aveline either didn't
> carefully read my book to know about these notes or
> else he didn't want his readers to know that I had
> added such comments.
> 
> Surely the perceptive reader of all of these notes,
> etc. in my book will be able to see that one should
> take what these writers [Coulomb and Hodgson] say with
> a few grains of salt.
> 
> Furthermore, I specifically selected the material by
> Coulomb and Hodgson to put in JUXTAPOSITION with other
> accounts which show that what they (Coulomb and
> Hodgson) say about, for example, the appearances of
> the Masters, must surely be off the mark, to say the
> least or as I believe.....wrong...false.
> 
> See also: 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/mahatmasapparitions.htm
> 
> If anything, the accounts by the above "enemies" of
> HPB found next to other accounts will make the reader
> .... THINK .... about the charges and their validity.
> 
> And if they are perceptive at all, they should (at the
> very least) conclude that the Coulomb/Hodgson charges
> should not be taken at face value WITHOUT carefully
> considering other material which is ALSO FOUND in the
> book or what can be found in greater detail in the
> Waterman and Harrison books.
> 
> Some of the thoughtful readers of my book may actually
> dig deeper and try to determine for themselves what
> really happened....instead of believing either Aveline
> or me!!
> 
> Daniel
> BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER
> http://blavatskyarchives.com
> http://theosophy.info
> 
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> "...none but the logician, the investigator, the dauntless
> explorer should meddle with books like this. Such delvers
> after truth have the courage of their opinions."
> H.P. Blavatsky
> 
> "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at
> their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and
> hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision."
> H.P. Blavatsky
> 
> "...in the world mental as in the world spiritual each man
> must progress by his own efforts. The writer cannot do the
> reader's thinking for him, nor would the latter be any the
> better off if such vicarious thought were possible..."
> H.P. Blavatsky
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