Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00045)

Carlos, I understand what you are saying.  I do not dispute the 
existence of the Theosophical Movement, although I do dispute its value 
to 21st century theosophy as it is currently configured.

Still,  so long as you remain clear that it is the Movement that you are 
protecting, then I have no disagreement with you.  When you erroneously 
equate the Movement with the perennial wisdom itself then I plan to 
issue corrective actions.  I am not a Movementist.  I do not follow the 
rules of the Movement regarding acceptable behavior or approved reading 
materials.

As far as I can tell, between you and Daniel, it is overwhelmingly you 
that gets morally offended because people do not entirely agree with you. 
peace,

bill



carlosaveline wrote:
> Friends,
>
> An interesting view by Bill, below.
>
> The fact is that there is a Theosophical Movement, with its aims, its 
> teachings, and its goals. Facts are facts.
>
> Now, to circulate inside the movement the "thesis" that HPB invented the
> Masters and therefore was a fraud is just like going into the 
> Psychoanalytical Society and expecting to publish books with their 
> support saying that Freud was a fake. Or like going into the Junguian 
> circles and say that Carl Gustav Jung plagiarized all his view of 
> Psychology. Or going into Astronomical/Astrophysical circles, 
> circulating the idea that the Eath is flat and it is also the center 
> of the universe, and then get mortally offended because people do not 
> entirely agree with you.
>
> Regards, Carlos.
>
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> Data:Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:39:21 -0400
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World THE DOUBLE FACE
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> > Friends,
> >
> > I see this as the crux of the issue. KPJ is not a Movementist. Neither
> > am I. In later years, Johnson, who was an earnest student of theosophy
> > finally refused to even classify himself as a theosophist in an effort
> > to free himself from the inflexible mindset of Movementology.
> >
> > What Carlos asks below is only a valid question for Movementists 
> "INSIDE
> > the movement". Johnson's books, Algeo's books, Caldwell books, and a
> > host of others including all the Movement books are easily assimilated
> > into theosophy -- the broader universal theosophy that harmonizes all
> > the ripples in the undercurrent of the one life as easily as rain falls
> > from the heavens. But, these books, and apparently these people, are
> > not so easily assimilated into the Movement, because the Movement is a
> > 19th century phenomenon whose members apparently hold it in higher
> > regard than they do the perennial wisdom itself.
> >
> >
> > peace,
> >
> > bill
> >
> > carlosaveline wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > K. Paul Johnson writes in Daniel Caldwell's website (see Daniel's
> > > quotation below):
> > >
> > > "When HPB writes about Master M in a letter or an article, her
> > > reference is actually to a composite character she created."
> > >
> > > Yes. But who opened room INSIDE the movement for such obviously
> > > erroneous views , except John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell himself?
> > >
> > > This is the double-face policy.
> > >
> > > Regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
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> > >
> > > Cópia:
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> > > Data:Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:48:07 -0000
> > >
> > > Assunto:Theos-World "I view M. as a composite character...."
> > >
> > > > "I view M. as a composite character...."
> > > >
> > > > see:
> > > >
> > > > http://blavatskyarchives.com/johnsonmcomposite.htm 
> <http://blavatskyarchives.com/johnsonmcomposite.htm>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > > http://hpb.cc
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