Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00002)

Daniel,

I wish you start studying Theosophy instead of swimming in a sea of gossips. 

You might want to study Dallas' postings here, which are excellent, or to get "The Key to Theosophy" and read it in a meditative way.

Regards,   Carlos. 




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Data:Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:29:17 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Sowing Gossips....Sowing Dissent & a Double Standard???

> Carlos writes:
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> To Daniel, every section of the theosophical movement is 
> to be taken with skepticism, if it should not be laughed at. 
> See below.
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> Daniel takes the Coulombs, or Solovyof, more seriously than he takes
> theosophists.
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> And, of course, he aims at sowing dissent, systematically using 
> differences of opinions to discredit the movement as a whole.
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> I will now make some comments on what Carlos has written above.
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> I like the way Carlos seems to know what I really believe or think.
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> Take his first statement:
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> "To Daniel, every section of the theosophical movement is 
> to be taken with skepticism, if it should not be laughed at."
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> Yes I do believe that any student of Theosophy who knows about the 
> many conflicting and contradictory claims and counterclaims in the 
> broader Theosophical movement should have a good dose of HEALTHY 
> skepticism. In other words, one should ask relevant questions and 
> not naively accept or reject any claim or contention made before one 
> makes a thorough inquiry and study. I also believe in zetetic 
> skepticism 
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> See the following two webpages for brief definitions of
> zetetic:
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> http://www.answers.com/topic/zetetic
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> http://www.answers.com/topic/marcello-truzzi
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> See also what I wrote 10 years ago on Theos-Talk:
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> http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/199612/tt00062.html
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> But I certainly don't believe (as Carlos apparently wants readers to 
> believe) anything like he apparently simply makes up when he writes:
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> "....if it should not be laughed at...."
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> Carlos goes on commenting:
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> "Daniel takes the Coulombs, or Solovyof, more seriously than he takes
> theosophists."
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> This apparently is one more of Carlos' own "misleading mayavic 
> ideations."
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> Certainly not MY opinion.
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> As I have stated more than once on this forum, I believe that both 
> the Coulombs and Solovyof turned against Madame Blavatsky and lied 
> about her.
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> Let me put it another way: I believe the vast majority of 
> Theosophists whose testimonies were given in my ESOTERIC WORLD OF 
> MADAME BLAVATSKY as opposed to the testimony of the Coulombs and 
> Hodgson as also given in that same volume. And this opinion of mine 
> was stated at several places in that volume.
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> And finally Carlos writes:
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> "And, of course, he [Daniel] aims at sowing dissent, systematically 
> using differences of opinions to discredit the movement as a whole."
> 
> Although I have serious reservations and doubts about many of the 
> claims put forward after Madame Blavatsky's death, I certainly have 
> never tried to "discredit the movement as a whole."
> 
> I certainly am glad that the Theosophical Movement has survived 
> (more or less) over the last 100 years and has been available as an 
> alternative to, for example, scientific materialism, orthodox forms 
> of Christianity, etc., etc.
> 
> But as concerns Carlos' own claim that I am "sowing gossip" 
> and/or "sowing dissent", what pray tell is Carlos doing, for example,
> when he writes in strongly negative terms about Mr. Leadbeater on 
> this forum. Could it not be said that he ALSO is "sowing gossip" 
> and "sowing dissent"? A number of Leadbeater students certainly 
> have expressed that opinion concerning what he has written.
> 
> Or in material issued by the editors of Theosophy Magazine, one 
> might ask:
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> Have they ALSO sowed gossip and sowed dissent?
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> For example, look at the material recommended just today 
> by "Compiler".
> 
> Take the following articles about G. de Purucker found in the pages 
> of THEOSOPHY magazine:
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> http://tinyurl.com/buj4e
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> http://tinyurl.com/9vk7b
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> Or look at the material written by these same editors of Theosophy 
> Magazine on Mrs. Tingley:
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> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokes/stokestm7525.htm
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> http://tinyurl.com/gkl9b
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> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokes/stokestm1951.htm
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> Is it so unreasonable to conclude that these article might also be 
> included under what Carlos chooses to call:
> 
> Sowing Gossips....Sowing Dissent??????????????
> 
> Does Carlos in effect have a DOUBLE STANDARD?
> 
> Is he saying it is ok for him as well as the editors of Theosophy 
> magazine to make highly critical statements about various 
> Theosophical leaders but no one else (including me) can do so???
> 
> Is it unreasonable to conclude that the 1951 edition of THE 
> THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT still sold by the Theosophy Company, is but an 
> ongoing attempt to "sow" gossips...to "sow" dissent?
> 
> Some food for thought....
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> I am under no delusion or illusion that Carlos might have a change 
> of heart and actually try to engage in a cool, calm and thoughtful 
> discussion of these issues.
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> But I write for other interested readers.
> 
> Daniel
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