Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00001)

Bruce, Dallas, 

Excellent, insightful text by Bruce  below. 

Also, Peace cannot be separated from Ethics and Justice. Different names for the same essential thing.

Best regards,  Carlos. 

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Para:"AAA-Dal" dalval14@earthlink.net

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Data:Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:17:42 -0700

Assunto:Theos-World RE: History vs. Moral Injustice

> Excellent thoughts and a very good list. Thanks.
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> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert_B_Macdonald
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 
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> Subject: HISTORY VS. MORAL INJUSTICE
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> Dear Friends,
> 
> War seems to be the passtime of our Age. Battles are being fought on
> every front. The battles on the pages of Theos-Talk are a microcosm to
> the battles being fought with bullets and bombs elsewhere in the world
> today. Perhaps if we could find a way of establishing a Peace within
> our own Society, we might see how such a methodology might be esablished
> elsewhere.
> 
> It is always good to begin with what you can agree on. The following
> are a set of axioms that I hope that all members of the Theosophical
> Movement might agree on:
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> 1. The truth that the Theosophical Movement (tTM) has no dogmas.
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> 2. The truth that the TM puts truth above all.
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> 3. The truth that the TM encourages Universal Brotherhood as a means to self
> growth.
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> 4. The truth that the TM encourages the study of Comparative Religion,
> Science, and Philosophy as well as the study of the Laws of Nature and
> Powers latent in Man as a means to self growth.
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> 
> 5. The truth that HPB, WQJ, and the Masters produced a body of work that
> provides a particular vocabulary for use in the Movement.
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> 6. The truth that the Movement's only reason for being is for its own
> propogation with the understanding that a search for truth and a
> practice of Universal Brotherhood as advanced by the Movement will make
> Humanity nobler.
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> 7. The truth that all members of the Movement are beholden to protect
> the Movement and further its interests to the best of their abilities.
> 
> 
> The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT must be distinquished from theosophy in general.
> There can be theosophists who practice theosophy in its general sense who
> have never heard of the Movement or its founders.
> 
> Just because the writings of HPB, WQJ and the Masters provide the
> foundation for discussion within the Movement does not mean there are
> not other or even theosophically nobler writers. 
> 
> All that is meant here is that we have to have a common foundation for 
> 
> discussion and because of the axioms of the Society that foundation 
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> must be the founders for nobody has the authority to provide any better. 
> 
> This is due to axiom 1.
> 
> Here then is the argument that flows from the above axioms. When Olcott
> accused HPB of using the authority of the Masters to lend credence to
> her opinions as found in the "Prayag Letter", Olcott should have been
> ruled out of order according to Axiom 1. His allegation was not
> provable so the only reason the members had for agreeing with him at
> that time is because they viewed him as an authority on HPB and her
> writings. This was in direct oposition to Axiom 1 and consequently
> Axiom 7 (through their ignorance). 
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> Besant committed the same error when she accused Judge. 
> 
> Even, if as she says, the Masters put her up to
> it, this would be a case of making the Masters the Authority, and
> thereby introducing dogma into the Movement. True Masters would have
> realised this and not have done it, and if they did it was Besant's duty
> to argue against such a course as she had no way of independantly
> proving it. What if in either case the Masters had provided testimony
> by letter. Such testimony would be believed by some, regarded as fraud
> by others. In other words it would have been evidence but not proof as
> there would be no way to ultimately verify the letters. The only
> verification for each theosophist is his own conscience.
> 
> If you believed Besant and or Olcott, you could be accused of creating
> authorities and destroying the Movement as founded by HPB and the
> Masters. If you tried to argue that HPB and Judge must be put above all
> else, again you are creating authorites. Members of the Theosophical
> Society should have ruled Besant and Olcott out of order not because
> they were right or wrong, that is irrelevant. 
> 
> They should have been
> ruled out of order because they undermined the Axioms of the Society
> that they were supposed to uphold, thereby paving the way for dogmas to
> be introduced into the Movement. The members who did not understand
> this are the ones who destroyed the Society by splitting one way or the
> other. 
> 
> The battles being fought on the pages of Theos-Talk are not
> historical battles, they are moral battles. THERE ARE NO GOOD REASONS
> TO LEVEL UNPROVABLE PERSONAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ANOTHER THEOSOPHIST. 
> 
> 
> There is nothing to be won as there are no dogmas at stake, only the
> axioms that the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT was founded upon.
> 
> This is a logical analysis of the splitting of the Movement. Most of
> the axioms did not have to be used in this analysis althought they might
> be valuable in determining where to go from here. Any comments on the
> analysis itself or on the axioms are welcome. Any personal attacks will
> be viewed as coming from the typical type of agitators that infiltrate
> all groups for the purpose of destruction. When you can't argue
> logically, smear your opponents (something the Movement was created to
> prevent).
> 
> Bruce
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