Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00510)

Daniel, unless you assert with absolute certain knowledge the fact that 
"HPB was in contact with the Masters," Carlos will judge your statement 
as a LIE.

Do you see the difference, Daniel?  
The Road Not Taken

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far a I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

                                       --Robert Frost,  1916

--bill 
danielhcaldwell wrote:
> Carlos wrote:
>
> ======================================================
> HPB did not claim, she did not assert. She made phenomena
> and dozens of persons who saw them gave their public
> testimonies. Apart from phenomena, dozens of theosophists had
> their own evidences that they were chelas and lay chelas of
> various Mahatmas.
>
> So say of that period (1875-1891) that "HPB claimed SHE was in
> contact with the Masters" is a LIE from anyone who studies the
> History of the Movement.
>
> It is not a question of "believing". It is a question of
> recognizing the fact the there are hundreds of evidences about
> Masters in those years.
> ========================================================
>
> Let's just take one of Carlos' "assertions":
>
> It is not a question of "believing".
>
> Let's look at the word "believing" or "belief"
>
> In the dictionary here are the definitions of "belief":
>
> ===========================================================
> 1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or
> confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
>
> 2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
> validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies
> belief.
>
> 3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular
> tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
> ==============================================================
>
> American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
>
> Take definition two:
>
> "Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
> validity of something."
>
> When I write that "I believe" ....
>
> I am in effect giving this definition....
>
> Or take the statement Carlos wants to argue about:
>
> "HPB claimed SHE was in contact with the Masters"
>
> One could also write:
>
> HPB stated she was in contact with the Masters.
>
> or
>
> HPB asserted she was in contact with the Masters.
>
> However one wants to phrase it, I believe there is more
> than ample evidence that her claim, her statement, her assertion
> was true.
>
> But I'm sure Carlos will probably want to quibble more.
>
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
>
>