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Jul 20, 2006 02:49 PM
by carlosaveline


Daniel,


There are mistakes and mistakes in any editorial work. 

The movement is made of imperfect workers. Boris work was just great, though not perfect.   I consider the facsimile editions of the SD ( Theosophy Co. and TUP) preferable, taking Boris' SD as an alternative source. 

The key issue in the movement is: do people respect facts as long as they know them?  Or do they insist in making propaganda of well-known LIES,  even after being warned about them?  


Best regards,  Carlos.  


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Data:Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:40:52 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Bottom Line: both Besant & de Zirkoff editions of SD have been SILENTLY EDITED

> Carlos, you write:
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> "I am open to criticisms about anything, including Boris' work. But 
> Boris' enormous contribution to the movement is undeniable, as well 
> as the fact that his edition of "The Secret Doctrine" (which may not 
> be absolutely perfect) , is basicly reliable, and much better than 
> the Besant's one."
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> Who is questioning "Boris' enormous contribution to the movement"??
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> But THE FACT REMAINS that Boris' edition of HPB's SD has been 
> subjected to INVISIBLE EDITING or SILENT EDITING.
> 
> Again you say that Boris' edition is "much better than the Besant's 
> one."
> 
> Well, it all depends on what you consider "much better". What are 
> your critieria?
> 
> Considering only the SILENT EDITING issue, have you COMPARED all of 
> the silent editing in the de Zirkoff edition with all of the silent 
> editing in the Besant edition to be in a good position to really 
> judge if the de Zirkoff edition is "better" or "much better" than 
> the Besant edition.
> 
> MY POINT is that both have been SILENTLY EDITED or as Dallas calls it
> INVISIBLY EDITED.
> 
> And the general observations (see below) made by both Dallas T. and 
> Peter M. still apply to BOTH the Besant and De Zirkoff editions.
> 
> Here are Peter's words:
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> ===========================================================
> Speaking for myself, I would rather have HPB' writings as they were
> completed and published by her. I don't want somebody in-between 
> correcting the text according to his own ideas of what HPB *might* 
> have put if she had reflected upon it later.
> 
> While HPB's says all her works contain mistakes I would not want to 
> be the one who decides what they are and corrects them on her 
> behalf, nor would I want to decide for others what is a service to 
> them by changes I might make to the SD. Even with the mistakes, my 
> many years of studying her works has left me feeling confident in 
> them as they are. That is not a feeling of confidence I would be 
> willing to place in Boris de Zirkoff, though I admire the work he 
> has done collating the material for the Collected Writings.
> ===============================================================
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> Here are Dallas' words:
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> Those who insist on using the ORIGINAL WRITINGS from which to
> study and grow in understanding are, in my esteem, not being
> dogmatic, they are merely being careful.
> 
> For their understanding they can (in case of The SECRET
> DOCTRINE ) recall that the Mahatmas gave Dr. Hubbe-Schleiden a
> signed certificate ( reprinted by Mr. Judge in PATH Magazine,
> Vol. 8, p. 1-3 ) This certificate stated that The SECRET
> DOCTRINE was the produced under their triple authorship.
> 
> Personally, I have a great pity for those who have made
> alterations and invisible editing in such an important work. I
> include all who may have done this in my mind. On the opposite
> hand: I feel gratitude for those who have offered "corrections
> needed in the ORIGINAL" and that they think will be helpful to
> students, but who have been careful to IDENTIFY and FOOTNOTE
> their changes so that the said student has a choice.
> 
> By what amounts to "concealing" those changes made in the
> ORIGINAL (yet using the Original Title) and thus tacitly
> attributing those new and interposed changes to the Author - who
> has had no chance to agree to them -- they may have blurred or
> obscured some meanings. Just how important those altered
> meanings and changes are, need not be a subject for restudy if
> one deals with the ORIGINALS to begin with.
> ================================================
> 
> Bottom Line: BOTH Besant & de Zirkoff editions of SD have been 
> SILENT EDITED.....
> 
> Daniel
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