Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00361)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, krishtar <krishtar_a@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Netemara
> Fine?
> I enjoyed your comments regarding my speculative thoughts.

Thank you. I just found this reply due to pressing tasks with 
writing, editing and working at home and outside. 

But the book I was referring to is my own. Which I have recently 
posted details as to title and where it can be found. The book is 
not so much concerned with what HPB wrote or said but who she was 
then and now. I have traced lives and come up with the laws of 
rebirth.

For more information about HPB and "Dinner With Da Vinci" you can go 
to theosophy_talks_truth@yahoogroups.com

Thank you

Netemara
> Double occupation from one monadic ray is possible too, for those 
monads who
> have this work to do on earth. just like HBP did,  but as my doubt 
is, I
> have not followed all the recent posts, which book are you 
referring to,
> Netemara?
> Another theory I have is that , if for some reason HPB were still 
alive, she
> would be bannished as much as Osho was from the places he had been 
to, 
> because he
> also had the same way of express things that she had got , always 
directly, 
> not
> taking care about formal or mundane hierarchies any much .
> Osho , like Ramana, never wrote any book, all his interviews and 
lectures
> were recorded and turned into books.
> - Presently there are huge arguments and attorney battles 
worldwide to 
> decide
> who gets the profits on the large sellings from Bhagwan Sri 
Rajneesh (lol)-
> Some may believe in those prefab accusations against Osho as much 
as the
> accusations done to HPB´s reputation, but if one reads the essence 
of both
> teachings and works, one may know the truth of who is whom.. We 
usually know
> the tree by the fruits...don´t we?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "netemara888" <netemara888@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Ramana Marharshi & The Universe
> 
> 
> This is a nice, but speculative post, about a possible RM, and CWL
> thoughts on when and where HPB returned. Here is what shocks...HPB
> is not the one who had just left or redirected herself back into a
> Hindu body. Read the book and find out who did. Actually it is
> posted on ttt if you look hard enough for it.
> 
> It has been a very long time since HPB has been an Indian.
> 
> What many have not investigated, or experienced is the phenomenon
> of "double occupancy." Therefore it is impossible for anyone to 
know
> of the advanced and their "body placement" at any given time or 
life-
> -only the person who has been on the inside of those bodies will
> know and can reveal.
> 
> They "break the body rules" not kidding.  This is what made my
> research difficult at first. The "laws" have been written and HPB's
> past lives, all of them have been found and recorded.
> 
> Netemara
> 
> 
> -
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Iain" <ibse03888@> wrote:
> >
> > Kristar wrote , that the Sage of Arunachala.
> > "the only thinks he preached were through silence"
> > Is this Portugese Silence or English Silence? and, What is the
> Diference!?
> > cheers Iain
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Ramana Marharshi & The Universe
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Krishtar,
> > >
> > > Sri Ramana Maharshi wrote.
> > > And he taught to his disciples.
> > > There are many books with his oral teachings both in English 
and
> in
> > > Portuguese.
> > > I will bring here a small bibliography about him  -- tomorrow,
> since I am
> > > not at home now.
> > > Ramana Maharshi's teachings have many points in common with
> HPB's
> > > Theosophy
> > > --- as I
> > > see it.
> > > And his disciple Paul Brunton wrote some  important books, too,
> with no
> > > need to use the label "theosophical".  Things go beyond names,
> of course.
> > > There is a lot of untheosotphical things under theosophical
> names, and
> > > most
> > > theosophical books don't use this "label".  For instance, the
> neostoic
> > > philosopher Epictetus
> > > can be considered a "theosophist" in the real sense of the 
word.
> And many,
> > > many  others...
> > >
> > > Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: krishtar <krishtar_a@>
> > >>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> > >>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:30:16 -0300
> > >>
> > >>Carlos wrote, among other things:
> > >>"For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th 
century."
> > >>
> > >>Hi, amigo
> > >>
> > >>Who are you talking about: Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi, the
> Sage of
> > >>Arunachala?
> > >>What is the source of that information?
> > >>The only things he preached were through silence, and just for
> > >>illustrating,
> > >>according to a book from A.Orborne he was once asked by a 
seeker
> if
> > >>theosophy was something good, all he said was a "yes".
> > >>If you have any further information to offer me on this
> particular, I
> > >>thank
> > >>in advance.
> > >>By the way...
> > >>It´s very curious that Ramana had his first enlightenment ( 
that
> > >>near-death-like experience) just at the same time lapse HPB had
> passed
> > >>away.
> > >>He was never the same person anymore.
> > >>I once read that CWL stated that HPB would be reborn under a
> hindu young
> > >>boy...
> > >>Maybe he was half-right in certain aspects...
> > >>
> > >>Krishtar
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@>
> > >>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:38 PM
> > >>Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Dear Cass,
> > >>
> > >>Yet the Advaita system teachs the seven principles/ levels of
> > >>consciousness
> > >>pretty much as HPB did (not a coincidence), while Krishnamurti
> never
> > >>understood,  much less taught the seven principles.
> > >>
> > >>For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century.
> > >>
> > >>Seven principles are essential,  as by understanding them you
> have the key
> > >>of the correlation between the micro (a human individual) and
> the macro
> > >>(solar system and the universe).
> > >>
> > >>Krishnamurti was rather shallow with his doctrine according to
> which the
> > >>"I"
> > >>is bad.
> > >>
> > >>The importance of the correlation man/universe explains why
> studying the
> > >>"Secret Doctrine".
> > >>It is a form of Jnana Yoga.
> > >>
> > >>We are a summary of the universe, and the cosmos is an 
amplified
> picture
> > >>of
> > >>each one of us.
> > >>
> > >>A mirror of one's soul.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Best regards,  Carlos.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@>
> > >> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > >> >Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)
> > >> >
> > >> >I tend to agree with Morten, in that Krishnamurti's latter
> teachings
> > >> >were
> > >> >the recycling of the Advaita system.  However, I believe, in
> the early
> > >>days
> > >> >he did contribute towards humanity in exposing the emotional
> baggage
> > >> >that
> > >> >we carry with us, and how important it is to recognize this,
> without
> > >> >judgement, in order to see ourselves as we are.  I certainly
> got much
> > >> >out
> > >> >of the First and Last Freedom.
> > >> >
> > >> >Cass
> > >> >
> > >> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Dear Cass,
> > >> >
> > >> >I know next to nothing about Gurdgieff.
> > >> >
> > >> >But a long standing leader of the Adyar Society gave me an
> image to
> > >>define
> > >> >Krishnamurti with few words: he is like the typical Indian
> Swami, who
> > >>goes
> > >> >about hammering one sole point, surrounded by his own
> unconditional
> > >> >supporters and worshippers. The main role of these followers
> is to
> > >> >endlessly repeat the Swami's words,  while they try to
> hipnotize
> > >>themselves
> > >> >and others with these same unchanging words/ideas.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Best regards.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >From: Cass Silva
> > >> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > >> > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:27:19 -0800 (PST)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created
> around him.
> > >> > >Same thing with Gurdgieff???
> > >> > >Cass
> > >> > >
> > >> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Cass,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
> > >> > >Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
> > >> > >They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of 
them.
> > >> > >Not all, of course.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Best -- carlos.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >From: Cass Silva
> > >> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
> > >> > > >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a
> dogmatised
> > >> > >"school
> > >> > > >of thought" around his system.
> > >> > > >Cass
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > >> > > >Damian,]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the
> question.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School
> continued,
> > >>yet
> > >> > >the
> > >> > > >fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were 
quietly
> dropped
> > >>rom
> > >> > > >1953,
> > >> > > >except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a  rather 
national
> > >>phenomenon,
> > >> > >or
> > >> > > >at
> > >> > > >least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha
> Burnier,
> > >>wanted
> > >> > >the
> > >> > > >E. S. Adyar to
> > >> > > >be closed (there is at least one public source for that,
> Mary
> > >>Lutyens).
> > >> > > >Yet
> > >> > > >he did
> > >> > > >not have that.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Best  regards, Carlos.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >From: D P
> > >> > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > > >Subject: Theos-World Pasadena Esoteric School
> > >> > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >Hi! I am researching a little about Esoterics Schools
> inside of
> > >> > > > >the
> > >> > > > >Theosophical Movement then this is a question for 
Carlos
> Aveline
> > >> > > > >or
> > >> > > >another
> > >> > > > >member of the list. C. Aveline wrote �if I remind 
well-
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