Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00404)

Dear Friends,

What's the purpose of having a clear historical view of  the theosophical movement? 

No isolated events or personalities, but contexts in evolution -- historical processes. 

The real purpose of knowing the past  is to better understand the present and then identify the seeds of future which we should plant and take care of. 

What can we do to go beyong pure gossips about isolated  facts  (most of them personalistic who-said-whats )?   First of all, we must have a sincere commitment to its present and to its future. 

>From our honest view of past events in their context,  what line of constructive and creative action can we infer,  in order to guide our actions both individually and collectively?  That is: what practical lessons wqe take from our view of the past? 

This should be a question in the agenda of our historical debates. 

What is, or what could be, our historical project in this first and second quarters 21st century? 

Hopefully, the study of  the past can help liberate us from at least some of the past mistakes.  When looking at the victories and defeats of the past, we should see the practical lessons in them. 


Everyone makes mistakes all the time, and many do learn from them! 

(We should also  remember that we can best know trees by their fruits.) 


Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline 







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Data:Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:09 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Letter About Judge, the dead HPB, Tingley, Hargrove, etc.

> I answered a letter of inquiry today as follows:
> 
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> Hello -----,
> 
> I will try to answer your questions.
> 
> Concerning the E.S.T. Circular of April 3, 1896 at: 
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokesestapril96.htm
> 
> no, it is NOT fake.
> 
> Even the Theosophy Company in their THEOSOPHICAL
> MOVEMENT histories (1925 and 1951) acknowledges that
> this document is real and genuine although in those
> histories the writers do not agree with many of the
> statements in the circular.
> 
> See one of these histories at:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokestm7525.htm
> 
> I'm sure if you write to the Theosophical Society,
> Pasadena, CA., or Point Poma Publications, San Diego, CA.
> or to the Edmonton Theosophical Society [Canada] they
> will verify that the circular is real and genuine,
> that is, was issued in 1896 by the principal followers
> of Mr. Judge's esoteric school, etc.
> 
> And yes, Mr. Judge did receive what he considered to
> be messages from the dead HPB.
> 
> See for example on our website the following
> documents:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokesjudge1495.htm
> 
> Yes, my understanding is that "Promise" refers to Mrs.
> Tingley.
> 
> Concerning Julia Keightley, here is one document by
> her:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokesjulia.htm
> 
> Concerning Hargrove, I do not know anything about
> these letters Hargrove was suppose to have received
> from the Masters. Something new to research!!
> 
> At first Hargrove supported Mrs. Tingely. But a year
> or two later difficulties arose between them. See:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokestm7525.htm
> 
> Concerning Hargrove's society, there is not much
> written on it. There is an article in THEOSOPHICAL
> HISTORY by the late John Cooper about Hargrove's
> society and esoteric school.
> 
> See:
> 
> Theosophical History, April-July 1993 issue, "The
> Esoteric School within the Hargrove Theosophical
> Society" by John Cooper. Available from Theosophical
> History. You will need to email Dr. Santucci about
> obtaining a copy of this issue. See:
> 
> http://www.theohistory.org/
> 
> Hargrove's society did have a publication titled 
> THEOSOPHICAL QUARTERLY. Some of the volumes of this
> periodical have been reprinted. See volumes listed at
> Amazon.com. I give a link:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/r6mrn
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> If I have not clearly answered any of your queries
> please write back. Also if you have additional
> comments or questions, let me know and I will try to
> give more info if I can.
> 
> As you probably are aware, there is more relevant
> material at:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokeswqjktcon.htm
> 
> And thanks for your kind words about our website!!
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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