Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00390)

G. De Purucker says that "The occult rationale of this marvel lies in the fact that all matter, such as wood and stone, is composed of molecular and electronic particles which, although usually held in equilibrium, are nevertheless perfectly fluid when considered as aggregates of electrons and atoms and molecules moving with vertiginous speed.  Thus when the all-powerful will and intelligence of the adept are thrown into the electric fluid controlling these molecular and electronic movements, such movements can be, at the will of the operator, changed to bring about a moving of portions of the hitherto "inanimate body' - such portions being rendered for the time plastic.

This fact also accounts for the so-called moving stones of ancient story, or for the statues of the gods moving and speaking over possibly quite long periods of time.  Of course this magical feat could be stopped by destroying the material object thus 'enchanted' for such destruction obviously meant the rupture of the molecular cohesion of the object when it was broken or rdeuced to powder or burned - with the material object destroyed, the magic itself perforce ceased, there being then no material vehicle for the magical energy to work through.

Both the white and black schools of the Atlantean race used this power (avesa) to 'produce' among other things, automatic or self-moving entities, and indeed these were as common as modern machinery is today.  As for instance, H.P.B. quoting in The Secret Doctrine (II 427 footnote) from an ancient manuscript, speaks of the Atlantean sorcerers employing some specially produced automata as servants, doing the heavy and humble work; and of other automato, who were really 'animated machines,' employed as guardians on the one hand, or warners of danger on the other hand, very much as modern science has learned to understand and to use the thermometer, the barometer, the photoelectic cell,etc......

"The process by which the adept brings his will and intelligence to bear by making exteriorizations from himself is, as said, called Hpho-wa, a term likewise covering the projection of the mayavi-rupi by the adept.  There are many ways in which this power, which can be as terribly evil as it can be divinely beneficent, can be employed."

Cass

ps Regarding Jesus, he says that "it is possible for the Great Ones to send forth from themselves a portion of their psychomental vitality - a portion of their human consciousness - and to fix it in the psychological apparatus of some other human being.  In Tibet this is called Hpho-wa, a transference of consciousness and of will, of which the simplest manifestation is thought transference.  

Since the Buddha reaches his stature by means of reincarnation, i.e. by means of learning the lessons of life, he becomes a master of the powers and energies of the human constitution, and among these is the ability to project himself out of his body.
Jesus, for example, in his HUMAN aspect was Gautama the Buddha; a man who, through incarnation after incarnation in ages past, has risen to his lofty pinnacle of spiritual grandeur through self-devised efforts.
This does not mean, however, that Jesus had not begun his work long before.  He was a HIGH INITIATE, A MASTER, in training for the avatara event, but it was after that event that his real teaching was given to his inner school.  
An avatara and his existence and his work, when these are properly understood, are all combined in the word itself, for in its use it refers particularly to the 'descent' or 'passing down' of the divine influence.  In this lies the mystery of the Christ.........Thus is is an act o compassion which impels - karmically also of course - the buddha to loan a portion of his own constitution and thereby to have it karmically coloured, for which condition the buddha thereafter is responsible, because such loan was an act of his own will.  The divinity on its own plane, naturally, is likewise proportionately responsible.
An avatara usually happens in our world when a divinity is passing through initiation, and a human being provides the vehicle to enable it to descend into what is an underworld to the divine spheres.

"The entire story of Jesus is an esoteric mythos - not a myth in the ordinary meaning of the word, but a story having a wonderful background of truth, and expressed in mystical or metaphorical style.  In other words, the narratives of the New Testament are but a record of an initiatory cycle."

Cass

leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:                               John, 
 
 I don't think I can say much about what you are asking about -- since I have 
 no recollection of reading about the psychic power you are referring to.   I 
 also can't verify what an adept can or cannot do in speeding up natural 
 processes, as I have no direct evidence that any of that might be possible.
 
 Since, as you agree that there are NO supernatural miracles, magical or 
 otherwise -- in order for an adept to do such a thing, there would have to be some 
 sort of lawful coenergetic process that could accelerate a natural process.  
 
 Of course increasing the rates of chemical reactions actually are possible -- 
 simply by adding heat to any chemical mixture.   In that case, if an adept 
 can use the mind and will to focus heat energy on a chemical reaction, it would 
 naturally speed it up.   But, to make it occur instantaneously would probably 
 require impossible levels of heat energy -- which, if it could be done, would 
 instantly destroy the chemicals themselves -- if not also the magician. :-) 
 
 There is some evidence that adepts may be able to do this heating, to a 
 limited degree, however... Since, it has been reported that meditating monks in 
 Tibet could sit almost naked in the cold of the high mountains and after a time 
 clear a circle of melted snow up to a few dozen feet around their bodies.   
 This Siddhi is called Tummo, and is one of the powers spoken of by Patanjali... 
 Although, this melting effect might occur only because the meditator can 
 increase the inner heat radiated from their own bodies.   However, whether internal 
 or external, any movement of atoms or molecules can be translated into heat.   
 Therefore, Tummo probably depends on being able to increase the vibrational 
 motion of minute particles -- which I inferred below was possible when I 
 mentioned the possibility of psychic driven precipitation, teleportation, 
 levitation, etc.   
 
 Thus, the speeding up of a chemical reaction might depend on one's ability to 
 increase the rate of vibration on a molecular, atomic or quantum level.   In 
 accord with the ABC theory, this effect may be possible because of the 
 proximity of the atoms in chemical molecules to the zero-point fields in the vacuum 
 space between them -- where their physical fields are in close proximity with 
 the quantum particles along with the astral and mental field's centers of 
 consciousness that link awareness with the power of will to control the force of 
 the zero-point spinergy.   This force, then, when properly directed, can be used 
 to increase the rates of vibration of the physical atoms and their valence 
 electrons and thus, raise the temperature of a targeted chemical reaction so as 
 to speed it up.    
 
 However, I doubt that such a process could in any way transmute water into 
 wine instantaneously.   Although any adept, skilled in the powers of mesmerism 
 or hypnotism, could easily "glamorize" anyone into thinking that the plain 
 water he gives them to drink tastes like wine.   But why would anyone waste 
 psychic energy to do that -- unless he was a fakir trying to convince people of his 
 so called miraculous powers.   I doubt that the Biblical Jesus who supposedly 
 gave the Sermon on the Mount, if he existed, would have stooped to that level. 
   But, then, that Biblical figure supposedly did change water to wine at a 
 marriage feast in Cana (John 2:1-11).   But, I think the story was made up by 
 the editors of the gospels to "prove" another miracle of their mythical Jesus. 
 
 Learning how to correlate and concentrate those forces by an act of will, can 
 be gotten only through long practice of Rajah Yoga, along with direct 
 teaching by a master instructor who knows the secret of using the will to correlate 
 the forces, as well as how to focus them, and apply their effects in a 
 controlled manner on the physical level.   But, using such power is quite dangerous, 
 since it requires, for the white magician, the draining of one's own vital 
 energies. The black magicians, on the other hand, having no conscience, can 
 vampirize such energies from those around them.   
 
 In any event, I think it wise to follow Patanjali's advice that even when 
 one, through such yoga practices learns to use the psychic powers, the true stud
 ent desiring enlightenment for its own sake, and cognizant of the dangers of 
 becoming attached to those siddhis, will forsake their use, and proceed on to 
 the higher levels of pure awareness or isolation (emancipation) in the spirit.   
 
 Hope that covers it.
 
 Lenny
 
 In a message dated 6/25/06 9:24:12 AM, compiler@wisdomworld.org writes:
 
 > Lenny, based on all that you said below, could you maybe continue on and
 > explain some of those things, as well as maybe some other things,
 > related to this particular idea that I THINK I remember reading about
 > years ago somewhere within the mass of theosophical literature -- and
 > that is that, and if I even remember this more or less correctly, and so
 > only said here in my own way, that when it comes to the ideas of "magic"
 > or "miracles", if not also some other so-called powers that an adept can
 > do, there is NO magic or miracle involved as people generally think
 > about them, but that the adept is only capable of speeding up the
 > natural processes in some way of whatever he makes appear or come into
 > or go out of existence quickly.
 > 
 > Thanks in advance.
 > 
 > John DeSantis
 > (Compiler)
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 > 
 > leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > > You're welcome Cass. But, I still say there are no miracles... Even those
 > > supposedly carried out by alleged Magi's by their mostly imagined
 > > psychic manipulation of matter.
 > >
 > > As far as I understand it -- given the possibility in a limited sense that
 > > matter can be manipulated by mind (at least in moving its smaller 
 > molecular
 > > forms from one place to another such as precipitation, levitation or
 > > teleportation) -- the chemical changing of "water into wine," as inferred 
 > > by that statement in the Bible, is not quite that easy. Therefore, the 
 > statement 
 > > was most likely a metaphor referring to the teachings of the sermon on the
 > > mount... That used simple words to instill in the listeners the rapture of 
 > instantly
 > > understanding the meaning of the spiritual truths supposedly expounded by 
 > the
 > > mythical Jesus. Thus, the metaphor would imply that the plain truth, when 
 > fully
 > > ingested and digested in the mind, induces an analogous pleasure as if the 
 > 
 > > water one is drinking were suddenly turned into an intoxicating wine.
 > >
 > > As HPB constantly reiterated in her discussions of such psychic phenomena
 > > (which she spoke of as, "Glamour") -- we should dispassionately judge 
 > > all acts of supposed magic from a theosophical scientific and metaphysical 
 > point
 > > of view.   Therefore, its obvious that the only way real (physical) water 
 > can be
 > > turned into wine is through the chemical process of fermentation of the 
 > fruit 
 > > sugar dissolved in the water that composes over 90% of the fruit itself.
 > >
 > > To do that complex transformation (that must take considerable time and
 > > require specific substances in proper combination and circumstances)
 > > in an instant of willful thought -- no matter how adept the Magi in his 
 > > knowledge of the correlation of occult forces -- would be, as HPB said, 
 > like 
 > > passing the human body physically through a brick wall... That she also 
 > said
 > > was impossible.
 > >
 > > So, it's wrong to conflate or confuse "elementals" with the physical or
 > > chemical "elements." As theosophy sees it, they have nothing whatever
 > > to do with each other. Elementals do not control the natural processes of 
 > lawful
 > > physical chemical composition and decomposition. Nor can they overcome
 > > the natural attraction between molecules that hold together human bodies 
 > > or brick walls, and prevent them from passing through each other.
 > >
 > > So, according to a theosophical metaphysical understanding, "Beam me
 > > up Scotty" was never more than a science fictional fantasy that could
 > > never be realized in real physical life on Earth or in space. (Although, I
 > > don't doubt that one's individual self, linked to the spirit, can easily 
 > travel
 > > wherever the mind and will directs it to.) In fact the concept of the 
 > fictional
 > > "transporter" actually assumes, wrongly, that the higher spiritual 
 > > consciousness is dependently linked to the assembled molecules of the 
 > > physical body -- which theosophy denies.
 > >
 > > However, there's no denying that the astral body can travel where it
 > > wills, and can even manifest itself as being real to a properly tuned in 
 > or
 > > "glamorized" observer. On another tack, even the Star Trek concept itself 
 > 
 > > is flawed... since, according to theosophy, human beings could never 
 > > physically travel beyond the Solar System -- as their inner source of 
 > psychic,
 > >   as well as chi, prana or vital energy, is immutably linked to the Sun's 
 > energies.
 > > Wouldn't that also make it impossible that we could ever meet intelligent 
 > beings
 > > from another solar system (let alone another galaxy) in the flesh?
 > >
 > > In another sense, BTW, the metaphor of turning water into wine also 
 > implies
 > > that each of us can determine our own response to our experiences within 
 > our
 > > own mind and consciousness. Thus, when one is thirsty for knowledge, its
 > > attainment can engender in us the same rapture that a man dying of
 > > thirst can experience with his first sip of water when he experiences its 
 > taste
 > > with the same pleasure as if it were the finest wine.
 > >
 > > Best wishes,
 > >
 > > Lenny
 > 
 (snip)
 
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