Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00172)

Daniel,

What's the importance of "testimonies" given for a bribe, as was the 
case with the  Coulombs? And -- you  seem to forget that the Society 
for Psychical Research, SPR  abandoned all charges against HPB, 
precisely because they were evidently false and molre -- ABSURD. 

No Historian defends Soloviof or the Coulombs as legitimate sources 
of documents/texts against the movement. 

As to V. Soloviof, he just followed the same lines established by 
the Coulombs.

Did you not know that yet?  I thought you knew. 

Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline

 





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" 
<danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> 
> You wrote to me:
> 
> "You know that Solovyov first behaved as a theosophist, 
> to later make his treason. You know that very well."
> 
> Please be very specific here in what you are asserting since
> you claim I ALSO "know that very well."
> 
> What do I know very well??
> 
> You go on:
> 
> "The point is that, after his treason (for a holy bribe?) he is no 
> legitimate source."
> 
> Yes he did turn against HPB.  For a holy bribe?  What is this all 
> about???
> 
> You go on:
> 
> "Before his treason, who can rely on him? Yet, there is no 
evidence 
> that he was lying before his treason against the truth, the facts, 
> and the movement."
> 
> His testimony in 1884 about encountering the Master which I quoted 
> is in fact confirmed by both Mahatma M. and by HPB.  Don't you 
> believe them?  :)
> 
> Personally I agree with what Michael Gomes has written:
> 
> ==========================================================
> 
> Although he LATER claimed that he was playing the role
> of the docile inquirer, Solovyov's name appears in
> a number of letters to the press [in 1884 for example]
> testifying to the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena.
> 
> The publication of Richard Hodgson's damning report of H.P.B.
> in the December 1885 Proceedings of the Society for
> Psychical Research, and the attendant ridicule it brought
> to the adherents of Theosophy, must have caused him to RECONSIDER
> his position, for HIS ATTITUDE toward her RADICALLY CHANGED. . . .
> 
> ============================================================
> Caps added. Quoted from Gomes' Introduction to Beatrice Hastings'
> SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.
> 
> Carlos, it is somewhat sad to see you making statements like:
> 
> "V. Solovyof -- who seems to have a major influence on Daniel 
> Caldwell's work -- made propaganda about the idea that HPB was a 
> spy."
> 
> You say Solovyoff "seems to have a major [???!!!] influence on 
Daniel
> Caldwell's work [what work????]".   
> 
> Where do you dream this stuff up, Carlos?
> 
> Please try to make more accurate and factual statements.  
> 
> In my book I quote only his testimony from 1884 which is basically 
> confirmed by HPB and M.  And his testimony, in this case, actually 
> supports "the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena" (to use Michael 
> Gome's words).  In my book I did not use any thing from his MODERN 
> PRIESTESS OF ISIS.  His testimony was only a very small part of my 
> book and yet you say Solovyoff "seems to have a major influence on 
> Daniel Caldwell's work."
> 
> Enough of this.  Back to proofreading my book.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> <carlosaveline@> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > You know that Solovyov first behaved as a theosophist, to later 
> make his treason.  You know that very well. 
> > 
> > The point is that,  after his treason (for a holy bribe?) he is 
no 
> legitimate source. 
> > 
> > Before his treason, who can rely on him?  Yet, there is no 
> evidence that he was lying before his treason against the truth, 
the 
> facts, and the movement. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:21:22 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov
> > 
> > > Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov 
> > > 
> > > Carlos wrote:
> > > 
> > > ======================================================
> > > Why should anyone except a slanderer consider Soloviof a
> > > legitimate source of historical information?
> > > 
> > > But -- why using Soloviof as a source if you are not
> > > a slanderer?
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32946
> > > ==========================================================
> > > 
> > > Again Carlos commented:
> > > 
> > > =========================================================
> > > So if Daniel, Katinka, Algeo, P. Johnson and others want
> > > to look like scholars, they must first of all examine their
> > > sources, then admit that V. Soloviof, Eleanor Sidgwick and
> > > Alexis/Emma Coulombs are all liars, and finally start to
> > > stick to facts.
> > > 
> > > Three good examples these people could follow are Leslie Price,
> > > Michael Gomes and Ernest Pelletier -- who have different
> > > positions/opinions, but all respect facts and examine their own
> > > sources.
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32948
> > > =========================================================
> > > 
> > > Now let us take one of these "good examples" that Carlos 
> mentions.
> > > 
> > > Michael Gomes gives the following estimation concerning 
> Solovyoff:
> > > 
> > > ==========================================================
> > > 
> > > Although he LATER claimed that he was playing the role
> > > of the docile inquirer, Solovyov's name appears in
> > > a number of letters to the press [in 1884 for example]
> > > testifying to the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena.
> > > 
> > > The publication of Richard Hodgson's damning report of H.P.B.
> > > in the December 1885 Proceedings of the Society for
> > > Psychical Research, and the attendant ridicule it brought
> > > to the adherents of Theosophy, must have caused him to 
RECONSIDER
> > > his position, for HIS ATTITUDE toward her RADICALLY 
> CHANGED. . . .
> > > 
> > > ============================================================
> > > Caps added. Quoted from Gomes' Introduction to Beatrice 
Hastings'
> > > SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.
> > > 
> > > Now compare the above with what I wrote in ESOTERIC WORLD OF 
> MADAME
> > > BLAVATSKY:
> > > 
> > > ======================================================
> > > ...At first, relations between the two were friendly but 
Solovyov
> > > turned against HPB and wrote a book . . . in which he 
attempted 
> to
> > > portray HPB as a fraud....
> > > ======================================================
> > > 
> > > Daniel
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