Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00166)

Carlos,

You wrote to me:

"You know that Solovyov first behaved as a theosophist, 
to later make his treason. You know that very well."

Please be very specific here in what you are asserting since
you claim I ALSO "know that very well."

What do I know very well??

You go on:

"The point is that, after his treason (for a holy bribe?) he is no 
legitimate source."

Yes he did turn against HPB.  For a holy bribe?  What is this all 
about???

You go on:

"Before his treason, who can rely on him? Yet, there is no evidence 
that he was lying before his treason against the truth, the facts, 
and the movement."

His testimony in 1884 about encountering the Master which I quoted 
is in fact confirmed by both Mahatma M. and by HPB.  Don't you 
believe them?  :)

Personally I agree with what Michael Gomes has written:

==========================================================

Although he LATER claimed that he was playing the role
of the docile inquirer, Solovyov's name appears in
a number of letters to the press [in 1884 for example]
testifying to the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena.

The publication of Richard Hodgson's damning report of H.P.B.
in the December 1885 Proceedings of the Society for
Psychical Research, and the attendant ridicule it brought
to the adherents of Theosophy, must have caused him to RECONSIDER
his position, for HIS ATTITUDE toward her RADICALLY CHANGED. . . .

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Caps added. Quoted from Gomes' Introduction to Beatrice Hastings'
SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.

Carlos, it is somewhat sad to see you making statements like:

"V. Solovyof -- who seems to have a major influence on Daniel 
Caldwell's work -- made propaganda about the idea that HPB was a 
spy."

You say Solovyoff "seems to have a major [???!!!] influence on Daniel
Caldwell's work [what work????]".   

Where do you dream this stuff up, Carlos?

Please try to make more accurate and factual statements.  

In my book I quote only his testimony from 1884 which is basically 
confirmed by HPB and M.  And his testimony, in this case, actually 
supports "the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena" (to use Michael 
Gome's words).  In my book I did not use any thing from his MODERN 
PRIESTESS OF ISIS.  His testimony was only a very small part of my 
book and yet you say Solovyoff "seems to have a major influence on 
Daniel Caldwell's work."

Enough of this.  Back to proofreading my book.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc











--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Daniel,
> 
> You know that Solovyov first behaved as a theosophist, to later 
make his treason.  You know that very well. 
> 
> The point is that,  after his treason (for a holy bribe?) he is no 
legitimate source. 
> 
> Before his treason, who can rely on him?  Yet, there is no 
evidence that he was lying before his treason against the truth, the 
facts, and the movement. 
> 
> 
> Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
> 
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> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:21:22 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov
> 
> > Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov 
> > 
> > Carlos wrote:
> > 
> > ======================================================
> > Why should anyone except a slanderer consider Soloviof a
> > legitimate source of historical information?
> > 
> > But -- why using Soloviof as a source if you are not
> > a slanderer?
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32946
> > ==========================================================
> > 
> > Again Carlos commented:
> > 
> > =========================================================
> > So if Daniel, Katinka, Algeo, P. Johnson and others want
> > to look like scholars, they must first of all examine their
> > sources, then admit that V. Soloviof, Eleanor Sidgwick and
> > Alexis/Emma Coulombs are all liars, and finally start to
> > stick to facts.
> > 
> > Three good examples these people could follow are Leslie Price,
> > Michael Gomes and Ernest Pelletier -- who have different
> > positions/opinions, but all respect facts and examine their own
> > sources.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32948
> > =========================================================
> > 
> > Now let us take one of these "good examples" that Carlos 
mentions.
> > 
> > Michael Gomes gives the following estimation concerning 
Solovyoff:
> > 
> > ==========================================================
> > 
> > Although he LATER claimed that he was playing the role
> > of the docile inquirer, Solovyov's name appears in
> > a number of letters to the press [in 1884 for example]
> > testifying to the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena.
> > 
> > The publication of Richard Hodgson's damning report of H.P.B.
> > in the December 1885 Proceedings of the Society for
> > Psychical Research, and the attendant ridicule it brought
> > to the adherents of Theosophy, must have caused him to RECONSIDER
> > his position, for HIS ATTITUDE toward her RADICALLY 
CHANGED. . . .
> > 
> > ============================================================
> > Caps added. Quoted from Gomes' Introduction to Beatrice Hastings'
> > SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.
> > 
> > Now compare the above with what I wrote in ESOTERIC WORLD OF 
MADAME
> > BLAVATSKY:
> > 
> > ======================================================
> > ...At first, relations between the two were friendly but Solovyov
> > turned against HPB and wrote a book . . . in which he attempted 
to
> > portray HPB as a fraud....
> > ======================================================
> > 
> > Daniel
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