Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00632)

Dear Daniel, 


Daniel is the Last Mohican of Besant's "Secret Doctrine". See below. 

No one else, that I know, pays attention to that piece of museum.

Regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Wed, 17 May 2006 15:04:06 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos Quotes HPB on Socrates: Part 3

> Carlos Quotes HPB on Socrates: Part 3
> 
> (Continued from Part 2)
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> The Theosophy Company author does not fully explain what he means by 
> "the original SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P.B."
> 
> Well, could the following be a reference to the original SECRET 
> DOCTRINE?
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> Bertram Keightley tells us that upon her arrival in London in May, 
> 1887, Madame Blavatsky "placed the whole of the so far completed 
> MSS. [of The Secret Doctrine] in the hands of Dr. [Archibald] 
> Keightley and myself....We both read the whole mass of MSS.--a pile 
> over three feet high--most carefully through"
> 
> This is quoted from Reminiscences of H. P. Blavatsky and The Secret 
> Doctrine, by Countess Constance Wachtmeister et al., Quest edition, 
> 1976, p. 78. 
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> Bertram goes on to say that this original SD manuscript was divided 
> into three parts or volumes:
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> • Volume I: History of some great Occultists
> • Volume II: Evolution of Cosmos
> • Volume III: Evolution of Man
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> Bertram's reference to "the whole of the so-far completed MSS." is 
> to the original Secret Doctrine manuscript, written during the 
> period 1884 through April, 1887, which was in HPB's own handwriting.
> 
> Now this division of the original SD manuscript into the above 3 
> volumes is VERIFIED by looking at the so-called Wurzburg manuscript 
> of the SD.
> 
> What is the Wurzburg manuscript?
> 
> In a letter dated September 23, 1886 (only eight months before 
> Bertram Keightley read the three volumes in London), HPB wrote to 
> Colonel Henry S. Olcott:
> 
> "I send you the MSS. of Secret Doctrine.....Now I send only 1st 
> volume of Introduct. Section.... " [quoted in de Zirkoff , SD 
> Intro., 30-1]
> 
> This manuscript to be sent to Colonel Olcott was not the original 
> manuscript in HPB's own handwriting but a copy of the original 
> transcribed by Countess Constance Wachtmeister and Mrs. Mary Gebhard.
> 
> This "lst volume" manuscript is part of the "Wurzburg Manuscript" 
> now preserved in the Archives of the Theosophical Society, Adyar, 
> Madras, India.
> 
> According to Colonel Olcott's handwritten diaries, this volume was 
> received by him in India on Dec. 15, 1886.
> 
> Bertram's testimony given above and the even more important witness 
> (the Wurzburg manuscript itself) gives us very valuable information 
> about the arrangement and the contents of HPB's original manuscript 
> of the SD as of the latter part of 1886 and up thru May 1887.
> 
> If you look in Volume I of the Wurzburg manuscript which dates from 
> 1886 you find the whole article titled "What the Occultists and 
> Kabalists Have to Say" on pages 159-69. And in this article in the 
> manuscript you will find the HPB quote on Socrates.
> 
> See my previous reference to this article at: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/33492
> 
> I have a photocopy of these manuscript pages.
> 
> C. Jinarajadasa published this article or section from the Wurzburg 
> manuscript of the SD in the pages of the Theosophist. 
> 
> See:
> 
> Theosophist, Oct. 1933, 14 - 6; and 
> Theosophist, Nov. 1933, 143-6
> 
> The Wurzburg manuscript is a witness to the fact that this 
> article "What the Occultists and Kabalists Have to Say" to be found 
> in SD, Vol. III (1897) was in fact PART of HPB's original Secret 
> Doctrine Manuscript of 1886.
> 
> I now transcribe from the photocopy of this manuscript the HPB quote 
> on Socrates:
> 
> ================================================================
> Julian died for the same crime as Socrates. Both divulged a portion 
> of the Solar Mystery --- the heliocentric system being only a part 
> of what was given during the Initiation --- one consciously, the 
> other unconsciously, as the Greek Sage had never been initiated. It 
> was not the real Solar System that was preserved in such secrecy, 
> but the mysteries connected with the Sun's constitution. Socrates 
> was sentenced to death by earthly and worldly judges; Julian died a 
> violent death because the hitherto protecting hand had been 
> withdrawn from him, and no longer shielded by it, he was simply left 
> to his destiny or Karma. For the student of Occultism there is a 
> suggestive difference between the two kinds of death.
> ==================================================================
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> (Continued in Part 4)
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