Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00601)

CASS,

Thanks for your commentaries below. 

1) HPB never said Socrates was an Initiate in the eastern sense of the term.
She said Socrates was NOT an initiated in the western, formal, sense of the term, that is, he was no AFFILITATED to the current Greek "Esoteric Schools" or "Mysteries". 

2) HPB clarifies in many texts that Socrates had an independent, inner, legitimate source of inspiraration.


3) It is clear that Socrates "Daimon" was his own higher self.  "Daimon" is the spirit within oneself, as Marcus Aurelius and others wrote. Now, Socrates might have other inner contacts. The important thing is to understand the word "initiate" in its various meanings, eastern or western.

Best regards,    Carlos. 



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Data:Mon, 15 May 2006 19:27:07 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World SOCRATES & THE STARTING POINT

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> Since Socrates of Athens -- Plato's Master -- is a starting point for Philosophy along with Pythagoras, it it worthwhile to take a look on what HPB wrote about him. Three short, but revealing quotations on him and his "divine Daimon", as HPB calls it, are below.
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> “Things have strangely altered since the days of antiquity, when the truly wise made it their duty to conceal their knowledge, deeming it too sacred to even mention before the hoi polloi. While the medieval Rosecroix, the true philosopher, keeping old Socrates in mind, repeated daily that all he knew was that the knew nothing, his modern self-styled successor announces in our day, through press and public, that those mysteries in Nature and her Occult laws of which he knows nothing, have never existed at all. There was a time when the acquirement of Divine Wisdom (Sapientia) required the sacrifice and devotion of a man’s whole life. It depended on such tings as the purity of the candidate’s motives; on his fearlessness and independence of spirit; but now, to receive a patent for wisdom and adeptship requires only unblushing impudence.” 
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> (“Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky”, TPH, Wheaton, USA, volume XII, 1980, 859 pp., see pp. 314-315.) 
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> Cass: HPB is referring to Socrates as a Philosopher, which I agree with, and quotes Socrates philosophy as all I know is that I know nothing.
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> “From the days of the primitive man described by the first Vedic poet, down to our modern poet, there has not been a philosopher worthy of that name, who did not carry in the silent sanctuary of his heart the grand and mysterious truth. If initiated, he learnt it as a sacred science; if otherwise, then, like Socrates repeating to himself, as well as to his fellow-men, the noble injuction, ‘O man, know thyself’’, he succeeded in recognizing his God within himself. 
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> Cass: Again, she is talking about those that are initiated and is not specifically referring to Socrates as the one initiated. 
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> (“Isis Unveiled”, by H. P. Blavatsky, Theosophical University Press, Pasadena, California, USA, 1988, two volumes, see volume II, p. 318. Reproduced by H.P. Blavatsky in “Collected Writing”, TPH Wheaton, volume XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p. 48.) 
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> [For H.P.B., his daimon, spirit, was divine:]
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> “(...) Nor would Socrates have been put to death, had he kept secret the revelations of his divine daimon. He knew how little his century – save those initiated – would understand his meaning, had he given all he knew about the moon. Thus he limited his statements to an allegory...” 
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> (“Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky”, TPH, Wheaton, USA, volume XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p. 35 , footnote.) 
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> Cass: He was put to death because he revealed that all knowledge that he had came from his divine daimon. She actually says, "he knew HOW LITTLE, OTHER THAN AN INITIATE WOULD UNDERSTAND HIS MEANING, THEREFORE IT WAS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. AS THERE IS NO POINT IN PREACHING TO THOSE IN THE KNOW, AND WORSE STILL BREAKING THE LAW OF SILENCE.
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