Re: Christina & Enlightenment
May 11, 2006 12:41 PM
by christinaleestemaker
-Carlos, what is ZEN = nothing or NO THING.
Who is telling us a few lives?
Who has come back to inform that?
shatsampatti and vairâgya(sometimes) can be difficult,
but I think all is possible in one life, provided we know how.
christina.
-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Christina,
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> The problem with the sudden enlightenment Zen is that
enlightenment can be sudden -- but you must quietly practice the way
quite a few lives, before you get to it....
>
> So the way can be said to be long....
>
> Minor insights can be attained more easily, though, can't they?
>
> Carlos.
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> Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:38 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina, Vairagya & Viveka
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> > -Carlos. I think it is a long way to Sâdhanâchatushtaya
> >
> > greetings Christina.
> >
> >
> > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > >
> > > Thanks. Real nice to talk to you.
> > >
> > > Life taught me people do not have to have any bad intentions
to
> > make absurdities and injustices. In fact, bad intentions are
really
> > rare facts.
> > >
> > > Yet good intentions without Vairagya -- and therefore with
scarce
> > Viveka --
> > > are most common.
> > >
> > > But people improve and learn.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:53:12 -0000
> > >
> > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on Katinka
> > >
> > > > Carlos. on that net of her she have English as well as Dutch
> > > > literature published.
> > > > But I can say I never follow her, because she is not in my
> > interest.
> > > > greetings Christina.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Christina,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the info.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will look for Katinka in the future, if I have the time
and
> > > > think it worthwhile.
> > > > >
> > > > > So far, I would welcome her presence here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess you are absolutely right about people who, as you
> > > > say, "take the power (authority) to them with all kind of
> > nonsense".
> > > > >
> > > > > As to me, I am reasonably interested in what goes one in
the
> > > > movement and enjoy practising some English, while exchanging
> > views
> > > > with friends.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:35:49 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on the Funny Letter
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > > > There are a lot of persons in TS , who pretented to be
> > > > theosophist,
> > > > > > but they only are philosophs.
> > > > > > It is up to us to make discernments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, she is a young woman(teacher out of work)
who
> > have
> > > > her
> > > > > > own group at yahoo under the names:
> > > > > > groups.yahaoo.com/group/theosophie-groep and
> > > > > > groups.yahoo.com/group/hermes
> > > > > > and maybe a lot more and she also have her own work or
> > changed
> > > > work
> > > > > > of TS under www. katinkahesselink.net/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There you can contact here and ask for her vieuw.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I can say I never be interested of vieuws of others,
I
> > > > search
> > > > > > for the first hand knowledge and not from others who
take
> > the
> > > > power
> > > > > > (authority) to them with all kind of nonsense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wish Katinka were here to explain her views.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not at home now, so I do not have the letter
> > verbatim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is a letter recently published in FOHAT in which,
> > repeating
> > > > > > Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell, Katinka suggests HPB
faked
> > > > > > phenomena.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell have several
things
> > in
> > > > > > common, one of them being they both admit they are NOT
> > > > theosophists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katinka and Algeo say they are theosophists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:17:44 -0000
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> > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Katinka's Letter Good for
Laughing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos; -Now you make me awake
> > > > > > > > About what letter it was going?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know a lot of certain TS persons are as
manipulative
> > as
> > > > what,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > what letter brings unfair information?
> > > > > > > > Greetings Christina.
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> > > > > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Chuck,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You say Katinka's letter must be good. It was.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good for laughing. And false, too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 13:15:09 EDT
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> > > > > > > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Carlos brings up Katinka
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:50:27 AM Central
> > > > Standard
> > > > > > Time,
> > > > > > > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What has she written that puts her
> > > > > > > > > > in the same category as Algeo, Johnson and
Caldwell??
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > It must have been good, whatever it was.
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