Re: Theos-World Re: Visionaries,visions, hallucinations and imagination
May 04, 2006 08:08 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins
Vince,
Interesting to compare your reply to a Theosophical explanation that the
brain is only able to process visions of ordinary clairvoyance with is
filtered through the personality, where higher spiritual clairvoyance is
not processed by the brain at all but directly perceived through a
higher principle unconnected to the brain.
Jerry
Vincent wrote:
Jerry-
I suggest that there is very little differentiation between a seer's
conscious expectations and a person's subconscious dream
projections. It is the same part of the brain which creates both of
them, thus marring the experience. Suffice it to say that we
commonly project illusions onto our daily waking reality, which also
mars our waking perceptions. It's the same part of the brain. It is
only when the dream material and/or the expectations cease
altogether, that the seer is seeing clearly, in the absence of
projected imageries.
Blessings
Vince
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> wrote:
Dear Vince,
An interesting theory you have concerning the brain projecting
dream
material into an untrained seer's vision. I'm not sure I
understand how
(or if) you are distinguishing between expectations the seer may
have as
the result of training, and the brain's function of interjecting
images
when it cannot accept what it is seeing. For instance, in normal
waking
life, one may witness an event and still perceive an unexpected
outcome. On the other hand, if one is forewarned to expect a
certain
outcome, and that forewarning is not questioned, one's perceptions
may
be altered to conform to that forewarning.
Best
Jerry
Vincent wrote:
Jerry-
I'm not one to claim that I speak with ascended masters, but I
have
encountered a myriad of ghost entities (many hundreds at least)
during my travels upon the astral planes. Suffice it to say that
most supernatural experiences (99%) that people have are distorted
by
dream material which is projected onto them. When the physical
brain
is not acclimated to the supernatural realm, it remains
materialistically focused, and therefore dreams. However, when
the
brain's materialistic dependencies cease for a time, then the
dream
imageries also cease, and a person is capable of percieving
directly
into the supernatural realm without skew.
Hallucinations and dreams are triggered by the brain's failure to
reconcile higher supernatural experience with the lesser material
reality. In other words, if the brain cannot accept a
supernatural
experience, it will most definitely project hallucinogenic/dream
images onto it. For example, an unknown ghost entity may
literally
appear to a person from the supernatural realm, but if the brain
cannot accept the supernatural experience, the brain will
invariably
colorize the event with imageries of Michael the Archangel or
Jesus
Christ. Whatever is familiar to the individual.
Blessings
Vince
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@> wrote:
Dear Friends,
I posted this message about twenty days ago and, for some reason,
it
failed to go to distribution. So, for Cass (you asked in the
first
place) and others who might be interested in the subject, I am
re-writing and reposting it as a new discussion string.
Dear Cass, Friends,
Cass, I'm not sure that visions for their own sake are all that
interesting for a third party who does not actually experience
them. In
my case, I don't see beings on Mars or talk to ascended Masters.
I
do
think that people experience a variety of different kinds of
visual
and
mental phenomena that originate from a variety of states of
consciousness that all people can potentially achieve. What the
people
actually relate in their experiences has, I think, more to do
with
the
"reality" they attribute to it. For instance, I recently had
entertained a visitor who trained for many years with a Brazilian
spiritist from the Kardec school. For a couple of hours she
related to
me various visions she had. She told me in total seriousness of
her
meetings and conversations with the Archangel Michael and other
such
celestial celebrities. While she was telling me these things, I
thought
to myself: "now if she were from India and had the same
experiences, she
would probably be telling me of her meetings with Krishna etc.
So, I think the visions themselves are less important than the
insights
they point to for the person who has the experience. That is
because
the insights seem always to be around some personal context. That
is, we
experience certain things precisely because of there meaning to
us,
or
because of our need to see them. For instance, I have had
several
people tell me of a time when they were in deep despair and
a "Master"
appeared in their room. Was the appearance physical; an astral
projection; a waking dream? That would be hard to determine.
Perhaps
the importance of the vision is the meaning it conveys, or the
reassurance it gives to the person at the time.
Another kind of vision is what I would call a waking lucent
dream.
That
is, the person is completely awake and aware of the actual
surroundings,
yet is experiencing a vision of a place somewhere else with all
of
the
sounds, smells, sensations etc. associated with it. These kinds
of
experiences sometimes occur in meditation.
Others fall into the clairvoyance category. There is a story
that
Swedenborg, while visiting in a distant town, clairvoyantly saw
his
own
town on fire. He described to the other guests the progress of
the
fire
and which buildings burned. The accuracy of his vision was
confirmed in
a newspaper story that appeared a couple of days later.
Other phenomena I have seen includes telepathy. About 35 years
ago
I
used to work in an open setting Community Mental Health Center
in
Los
Angeles. There, I ran into several patients who were remarkable
telepaths, and would give voice to things that I was thinking.
There
were others who heard voices. They believed that God, or angels,
or
departed spirits were speaking to them.
Another phenomena I have witnessed is the presence of entities of
some
kind amidst extremely pathological situations. Some people seem
to
be
particularly good a drawing such entities and are surrounded by
them
most all of the time.
There are other things too, but this might be enough to start off
a
discussion. What other kinds of phenomena have you witnessed? In
these
phenomena, what might be the difference between spiritual and
psychic
visions, hallucinations and imagination. How are these elements
different, and how do they interact?
I hope this helps.
Best
Jerry
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