Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00824)

Dear Friends and Bruce,

I agree with most of what you say.

Yet I add that the question whether the vow is dead letter and blind obedience at the "eye doctrine" level --  or is a living process at the "heart doctrine" level,  such question  is of fundamental importance. Why? 

Because there are people who are unconsciously pledged to the Good, to Truth in their hearts, with no need to utter solemn words about that; and there are also people who utter ritualistic vows and do not pay too much attention to them -- at all.

Words-level pledges are a tremendous "magnetic trap" for many a soul in different religions. 

Clarifying this point, therefore, is a significant task in my view.  

You remember the "unconscious lay chelas" mentioned in the Mahatma Letters,  Mr. Bennet, the famous USA 19th century freethinker  being only one example. 

So Crosbie's example is just that -- an example of a much broader thing, a principle to be understood.  

We should not DENY pesonal examples. But we go from them into universal principles, and use personal lives of mystics to investigate universal laws.

The "vow question" is linked to clarifying the Vatican's games of "religious" power. As we all know,  other religions have similar schemes to keep political control of souls. 

 Esoteric Buddhism, Esoteric Philosophy and Theosophy are out of this. 


Regards,  Carlos. 






 



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Data:Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:20:19 -0600

Assunto:Theos-World Crosbie, Besant Just Distractions

> This concern over the Esoteric Instructions is simply a distraction. Trying 
> to judge either Crosbie or Caldwell over this matter is pointless. Again, 
> who really knows why Crosbie did what he did? Perhaps there was a private 
> message to ES members or to him alone telling them or him that on the 
> authority of the Masters this material could be used at the members 
> discretion. Perhaps many things might have been the case. Given that we 
> can never know everything that went on, all we are left with is the abstract 
> question: Do you think, given what we know, that Crosbie was correct in 
> sharing the Esoteric Instructions with others? The answer really tells us 
> nothing about Crosbie, only what we think would be right were we in a 
> situation such as WE UNDERSTOOD HIM TO BE IN, whether he was actually in 
> that situation or not. What we can say is that members of the ULT have 
> treated the material respectfully over the century and do not seem to have 
> abused the trust that Crosbie placed in them. Now the material is pretty 
> much in the public domain and perhaps that is as it should be.
> 
> The most important element in the ES was not the instructions they received, 
> it was the oath and how the members upheld that oath -- how they defended 
> one another and how they defended and promoted the Theosophical Society. If 
> indeed Crosbie broke his oath by sharing the Instructions, and that was the 
> only time he broke his oath, then I bow down to him with respect. As 
> Caldwell has made no oaths to anyone, so far as I know, what he does with 
> the material is his own business. If ULT members have made oaths where they 
> feel obligated to protest against Caldwell's use of the Instructions, then 
> that is what they should do.
> 
> Really, all this wrangling has been and has always been about HPB and Judge. 
> People are not upset at Crosbie because he may have broken his oath, they 
> are upset with him because he stands for something. He stands up for Judge 
> and HPB against those who would repeat the old unproven allegations. People 
> are upset with Besant because she stands for the "so-called" freedom to 
> repeat such allegations. They have become symbols, and people should 
> realize what they are symbols for. Getting caught up in Crosbie's or 
> Besant's short-comings is just something that keeps theosophists busy so 
> that they don't rediscover the real injustice, the slandering of the 
> Society's founders.
> 
> Bruce
> 
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