Re: Theos-World Sufilight, Besant, the Tree and the Fruits
Apr 23, 2006 09:46 AM
by M. Sufilight
Hallo Carloas and all,
My views are:
"The first part of the attack against the ULT, which I reproduce below, ends
with a question which David Caldwell or Daniel Green evidently cannot
answer. It is the same question in the title. "
M. Sufilight asks:
When can a polite question coming from Daniel Caldwell, which obviously are
seeking the Truth about certain matters of some importance, ever become an -
This is what I do not understand.
If you are able, I think you aught to answer the question or questions.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Theos-World Sufilight, Besant, the Tree and the Fruits
"I agree with you Daniel. Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?"
Please kindly see my anwer below:
This (below) is an interesting question posed by Mr. David Green under the
name of Daniel Caldwell -- or perhaps by Daniel Caldwell himself under his
own name -- who knows?
My answer is that -- trees should be judged by their fruits. Let's see,
ULT accuses A. Besant of PUBLLISHING to the wide public the esoteric
teachings. This fact is undeniable.
What are are the fruits of Besant's action? All those crazy fancies and
immoralities commited by C. W. Leadbeater, which provoked his expulsion from
the very Adyar TS by H. Olcott; Annie Besant and Leadbeater's several fake
initiations, the second coming of a Fake Christ, etc., and so on.
Now, Daniel & David accuse the ULT of circulating PRIVATELY the esoteric
teachings of HPB.
And -- what are the fruits of ULT's action in general, since its creation in
1909? No crazy fancies; important preservation of the authentic teachings;
common sense without too much noise; a growing worldwide network of
By the fruits we can see where the occult link was kept unbroken, and where
wild fancies destroyed common sense and inner commitments.
Wild fancies that ultimately produce actions like those of Daniel Caldwell/
David Green, and/or those actions of John Algeo as described right here a
couple of days ago by our Theos-talk member Dr. Gregory Tillett.
The ULT, as the ETS, as, in great part, the Pasadena TS and in some degree
even members of the Adyar TS (like Geoffrey Farthing or Ianthe Hoskins) and
many independent students -- have kept an innerly unbroken link. Whether
they belong to an Esoteric School is another issue.
And I should mention here a most important and successful effort, the
Wizards Bookshelf, made by the great independent theosophist and editor
Richard Robb. See especially his "Secret Doctrine Reference List".
Take a look at www.wizardsbookshelf.com
Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline
Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:24:03 -0000
Assunto:Theos-World Do we see a double standard here at work?
Mr. John Garrigues et al (editors of Theosophy Magazine and leading
associates of the ULT) in The Theosophical Movement 1875-1925, pages
571-572 wrote the following about Mrs. Annie Besant:
"In Mrs. Besant's 'Third Volume' [of The Secret Doctrine, 1897] are
incorporated the private papers originally issued by H.P.B. to the
E.S., and in reprinting these Mrs. Besant . . . broke the seventh
clause of her solemn pledge as a member of the Esoteric School...."
Using the same "reasoning" as Carlos, should we characterize
the above statement as an "attack" against Mrs. Besant, as an
attack against the Adyar T.S.?
Does Carlos condone what the Theosophy Company writers have done in
the above statement?
Is it ok to question (or [to use Carlos' word] "attack") Annie
Besant but it is not okay to simply ask SIMILAR relevant questions
about Mr. Crosbie?
Do we see a double standard here at work?
Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:02:34 +0200
Assunto:Re: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos
for citing this article!!
I agree with you Daniel.
Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos for
citing this article!!
>I see that Carlos for some reason
> brings up the following article and
> even quotes from it so here is a link
> to the complete article so interested
> readers can see the complete context.
> And one might ask: why is this an "attack"
> against the ULT?
> Why is Carlos intent on characterizing it as
> Here is the link:
> Thank you Carlos for bringing this again to
> the attention of readers of Theos-Talk!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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