Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00601)

Hallo Carloas and all,

My views are:

Carlos wrote:
"The first part of the attack against the ULT, which I reproduce below, ends 
with a question which David Caldwell or Daniel Green evidently cannot 
answer. It is the same question in the title. "

M. Sufilight asks:
When can a polite question coming from Daniel Caldwell, which obviously are 
seeking the Truth about certain matters of some importance, ever become an - 
attack?
This is what I do not understand.

If you are able, I think you aught to answer the question or questions.


from
M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carlosaveline" <carlosaveline@terra.com.br>
To: "theos-talk" <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Theos-World Sufilight, Besant, the Tree and the Fruits


Dear Sufilight,

Thanks.

You wrote:

"I agree with you Daniel. Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?"

Please kindly see my anwer below:

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Dear Friends,

This (below) is an interesting question posed by Mr. David Green under the 
name of Daniel Caldwell -- or perhaps by Daniel Caldwell himself under his 
own name -- who knows?

My answer is that -- trees should be judged by their fruits. Let's see, 
then.

ONE.

ULT accuses A. Besant of PUBLLISHING to the wide public the esoteric 
teachings. This fact is undeniable.
What are are the fruits of Besant's action? All those crazy fancies and 
immoralities commited by C. W. Leadbeater, which provoked his expulsion from 
the very Adyar TS by H. Olcott; Annie Besant and Leadbeater's several fake 
initiations, the second coming of a Fake Christ, etc., and so on.


TWO.

Now, Daniel & David accuse the ULT of circulating PRIVATELY the esoteric 
teachings of HPB.

And -- what are the fruits of ULT's action in general, since its creation in 
1909? No crazy fancies; important preservation of the authentic teachings; 
common sense without too much noise; a growing worldwide network of 
students.

By the fruits we can see where the occult link was kept unbroken, and where 
wild fancies destroyed common sense and inner commitments.

Wild fancies that ultimately produce actions like those of Daniel Caldwell/ 
David Green, and/or those actions of John Algeo as described right here a 
couple of days ago by our Theos-talk member Dr. Gregory Tillett.

The ULT, as the ETS, as, in great part, the Pasadena TS and in some degree 
even members of the Adyar TS (like Geoffrey Farthing or Ianthe Hoskins) and 
many independent students -- have kept an innerly unbroken link. Whether 
they belong to an Esoteric School is another issue.

And I should mention here a most important and successful effort, the 
Wizards Bookshelf, made by the great independent theosophist and editor 
Richard Robb. See especially his "Secret Doctrine Reference List".

Take a look at www.wizardsbookshelf.com


Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline






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Cópia:

Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:24:03 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Do we see a double standard here at work?

> Mr. John Garrigues et al (editors of Theosophy Magazine and leading
> associates of the ULT) in The Theosophical Movement 1875-1925, pages
> 571-572 wrote the following about Mrs. Annie Besant:
>
> "In Mrs. Besant's 'Third Volume' [of The Secret Doctrine, 1897] are
> incorporated the private papers originally issued by H.P.B. to the
> E.S., and in reprinting these Mrs. Besant . . . broke the seventh
> clause of her solemn pledge as a member of the Esoteric School...."
>
> Using the same "reasoning" as Carlos, should we characterize
> the above statement as an "attack" against Mrs. Besant, as an
> attack against the Adyar T.S.?
>
> Does Carlos condone what the Theosophy Company writers have done in
> the above statement?
>
> Is it ok to question (or [to use Carlos' word] "attack") Annie
> Besant but it is not okay to simply ask SIMILAR relevant questions
> about Mr. Crosbie?
>
> Do we see a double standard here at work?
>
> Daniel


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Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:02:34 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos 
for citing this article!!

> I agree with you Daniel.
> Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?
>
> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "danielhcaldwell"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:12 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos for
> citing this article!!
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> >I see that Carlos for some reason
> > brings up the following article and
> > even quotes from it so here is a link
> > to the complete article so interested
> > readers can see the complete context.
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> > And one might ask: why is this an "attack"
> > against the ULT?
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> > Why is Carlos intent on characterizing it as
> > such??
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> > Here is the link:
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> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/crosbierobertespledge.htm
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> > Thank you Carlos for bringing this again to
> > the attention of readers of Theos-Talk!
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